Amiga.org Electrified.

[SysAdmin]

Putting aside all other issues with electric cars, even if other Aorg members give a crap, there just isn't a subforum's worth of stuff to say about them. If you want to talk about them, just start a dang thread.

More Electric car news comes out then Amiga/MorphOS/AROS news combined.

[SysAdmin]

This is a bit of a worrying precedent.
Electric cars have as much to do with Amigas as they do lederhosen - i.e. nothing at all.

Can't we just stick to Amigas on the Amiga forum? It's not like the forum is dead or anything.

I hope the sysadmins didn't just pick a random controversial topic to make a subforum of just to get postings and advertising revenues up... that's an even more worrying precedent.

Please, let's keep Amiga.org about Amigas. Let's not water it down - there's enough specialised forums for things like electric cars that people can go to if they have that interest.
I may not agree with a fair amount of what's said on this forum, but at least it's Amiga-related.

But Amiga.org has had a Coffee House sub-forum for ages. I have no interest in Coffee House Politics for example but I keep it around because members have been using it for years. If I had been around since the inception of Amiga.org sub-forums like politics would have never been created. They have nothing to do with Amiga computers. Electric cars on the other-hand because of being technologically ahead of their time and against the status quo get as much hate and FUD thrown at them as the Amiga had/has. Great tech thats misunderstood, sound familiar?

Don't forget Electric cars use electricity just like Amigas. I once read that if the world had continued to use Amiga's instead of Windows machines the cost of electricity saved since 1994 would be just shy of 1.6 trillion dollars. Don't worry I have more Amiga's than Electric cars so your beloved Amiga.org won't be a-changin.

[SysAdmin]

@commodorejohn

Per your suggestions I just added sub-forums for LaserDisc and the Dreamcast. Thanx for the feedback.

[SysAdmin]

I disagree. The problem is that this is just another instance in a long line of instances of SysAdmin thinking that this site exists just to give him a preexisting audience for whatever he really wants it to be this month, like when he was stirring up the CUSA flamewars in a transparent attempt to drive site traffic, or shilling for shítty headphones. News flash, SysAdmin: Aorg is not about you. I don't want to sound like a total ingrate, but face the facts: it's just not. If you try to make it be about you, you're just going to drive away the people who want a forum about the Amiga, like so many people have been driven away already.

News-brief Tedd's gave the site to me and has been gone for a while. I was never a fan of CUSA and was against Tedd promoting them on the site, giving Barry interviews Etc. I was always against CUSA's strategy of trying to sell the Amiga community overpriced Linux boxes we never asked for. Tedd gave them a little more leeway but I think he was proven wrong in the end.

[SysAdmin]

@mikrucio

If you are against Electric cars then you are against electricity. Please tell me you don't have electricity in your home or apartment. A EV car uses less eletric to charge up than an air conditioner. My electric costs went up about $35 per month. Please tell me you don't have electricity but then how could you be posting on Amiga.org?

[SysAdmin]

As in, it draws less power when charging  than an air conditioner? It looks (if I'm reading this right) like  that's marginally true for central AC (3300Kw/h for the Leaf versus  ~3500Kw/h for the AC, about a 6% difference) but not remotely for a  window unit (~1800Kw/h, 54% of the Leaf's power draw.) But the way I  hear it, it takes a Leaf about eight hours to charge (from a dedicated  charging station - more like 15-20 if you don't happen to have one of  those handy and have to use a normal electrical outlet!) and it gets  ~75-100 mi. per charge. Average miles per year for most drivers is about  15,000, so that's 150-200 charges, or 1200-1600 hours of charging per  year. Whereas depending on the part of the country, AC is going to be  running about 8-10 hours a day for about 1/4-2/5 of the year, or  anywhere from 730-1461 hours per year, at no more than 6% greater power  consumption and possibly little more than half.

Yeah, that definitely looks like a lower impact!

Nissan Leaf only takes 3.5 hours to charge if you have a 240 volt  charger. And that's if you have a fully depleted the battery.  It's  unusual to do that unless you drive great distances daily. If that's the  case an EV car is not the right solution for you. Even when I charged  using 110 volt it was done in 10-12 hours. You can even find 480 volt  chargers that charge your car in 30 minutes. If your driving around town  most charging stations are 240 volt and free. If I go shopping I charge  for free and I am able to charge for free close to where I work. Keep  in mind no one is being asked or forced to replace their gas car with an  EV. It just provides another choice in the market. If electric cars get  popular it will make the demand for gas go down and hopefully the  price. Then even if you never buy a EV and still drive a gas car you  benefit from lower gas prices (supply vs demand). I drive 100 miles per day so before the electric car I was paying $380 per month in gas and kept getting slammed with high maintenance costs. Since March when I got the EV my transportation costs have gone to $35 per month (I charge for free at work). And my maintenance costs have been $20 for a cabin filter replacement on my EV. I don't want to breath in unfiltered air from the other cars that are running on gas!

[SysAdmin]

Nobody's being forced to replace their car with an EV car, but a lot of people sure are getting told how unqualifiedly awesome* and Totally The Future Of Driving** they are by EV car advocates...

* (as long as you have a good charging infrastructure everywhere you'll be driving, don't mind decreased driving range when using your climate controls, and have a contingency plan for running out of juice)
** (in <100 mi. hops, with hours of downtime in between)

I use the A/C in my EV almost every-time I drive and it makes me lose 2 miles of range. All locations don't have an EV infrastructure in place yet and your right that is something to check ahead of time before buying an EV. Electric cars just like sports cars, SUVs, trucks, etc are not the right transportation solution for everyone. Running out of juice or gas would suck in anything you are driving.

[SysAdmin]

The difference is that running out of gas you can catch a ride to the station and take a few gallons in a can - you can't just go and buy another of the monster seat-sized batteries the Leaf uses off the shelf!

I'm not sure about other cities but here in Chicago Nissan gives me free towing and the tow truck can give me a quick charge or tow me to the nearest charging station.