Amiga 4000t scam on ebay

[Iggy]

Yes, to be avoided, payment outside of Paypal will not afford you the buyer protection you might need in order to get a refund.

And the lack of a proper eBay invoice is highly suspicious.

I've run into similar scams via eBay Motors.

[Iggy]

Dude seriously with your %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ing last century views on everything.  It's %&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!%&$#?@!ing tiring.

All this, and "loving" Welsh discipline.
I don't even hit my dogs (as that form of negative reinforcement doesn't work with some breeds).

Maybe BigD has had this crap beat into him, eh?
And we're off diverting another thread, must be God's will (or serve his purpose).

[Iggy]

Well, if you get scammed on eBay, it is your own fault if you're dumb enough to pay via an unapproved method.
I don't get ripped off in any of my eBay transactions, because I read the listing carefully, and always pay via Paypal.

As to the outside issue that was brought in, I don't feel entitled to an opinion as I'm not involved.

BUT, if we do want to get back to corporal punishment, I'm not in favor of beating sensibilities into 'deviant' children either.

Can't say that I can really see any connection between these two topics.

[Iggy]

...Perfectly sensible points were we living in a sane culture that isn't trying to eat itself!

Odd that we agree that there is a form of cultural cannibalism going on right now.

But to me, it seems to be coming from all sides, right, left, conservative, liberal, wealthy, poor, etc.

[Iggy]

I reported it to ebay and  sent him a email saying i believed it was a scam.
He sent me a email today saying "so you aren't going to pay?" lol
He claims to have other suckers lined up for it.

No doubt.
There is this recurring scam on eBay motors where people list cars (that they probably don't even have) claiming to be in the military.
Then they claim they can have the car shipped to you as part of a benefit from the Armed Forces.
Just pay for it directly...and...

No, you just have to be stupid to wire people money or pay by buying them a transferable debit card.
Without a way to seek reimbursement you are asking to be scammed.

[Iggy]

We still talking about that 4000t scam that keeps popping up?

No, we appear to be talking about laws protecting children from abusive parents and their connection to bestiality.

But apparently that is somehow related to eBay scams (who knew?). :hammer:

[Iggy]

I gotta admit, I don't get the non-binary thing, and I'd even go as far as admitting that BigD may have a point about genetic identity.
But I don't involve myself in issues related to other's sexuality.

The idea of not identifying the gender of children at birth seems a bit off, but what are you going to do?

It could make the child's life even more confusing, not having a default to fall back on.

[Iggy]

What has this got to do with a scam ebay auction ?

Nothing what so ever, except in BigD's mind.
But its an interesting diversion.

[Iggy]

@JJ

I wish we could all be a woolly Pro-Corbyn lefty weirdo but some of us actually have standards and actually think that gender confusion is a possible sign of abuse which should be flagged up by teachers. People like you but pressure on teachers to be all PC and the vulnerable kids are actually encouraged to have their genitals mutilated rather than have the counselling they need. Laugh it up, but your moronic beliefs lead to this suffering.

I'm quite to the left of BigD, and a (just say it) liberal. I have close friends and relatives that are gay (and no, this isn't the moral equivalent of saying 'some of my best friends are black').
But...I think I'm on the cusp of agreeing with BigD on this matter, at least in part because you can't 'reassign' someone's sex via surgery.
That IS determined by genetics.
I don't care who you love, but self mutilation driven by a personal fixation does seem to qualify as a mental disorder.

I know this view isn't PC, but it is in line with the stated policies of the World Health Organization (of the United Nations)

Are we so obsessed with appearance that we now not only sanction this behavior for adults, but we encourage it in children?

And is a man that has had surgery to alter his physical appearance actually a woman (or vice versa)?
Frankly, it borders on ludicrous to insist that this is the case, and liberal or not, I'm not comfortable with being forced to have to address the matter in the politically correct manner.

SO, again, we are WAY off topic, but even if I can't agree with BigD on a matter of personal belief like religion, on basic biology I think he has a point.

Gays I can accept, cross dressing? ...well, I like Eddie Izzard , so...its a little out there, but no one's hurt.
Self mutilation because of something you can't control...nah.
Can't buy into it.

[Iggy]

In biology there's this thing - genotype vs phenotype.
Easily adapted here:

Sex (genotype): this (medically certified)
Sex (phenotype): this (or that or that other one or undetermined or whatever - to each his own)

In this brave new world I'm sure someone will soon come up stating "I'm a 73%-27%" or "64%-36%" or "x% - (100-x)%" now that simply stating "non-binary" is already passé.
It's time for exact science.

...

Gah.

Phenotype def. posted on the web - the set of observable characteristics of an individual resulting from the interaction of its genotype with the environment.

NOT - the best description, basically, variations possible within a genetic constraint.

So, exact science?
Pretty much.
Sex is completely controlled genetically.
One chromosome is contributed by your mother and is always X, the other is from your father and can be X or Y.
Got a Y chromosome, you are a male.
Males are not males because they look like males (nor are females women purely because they appear to be).

Phenotypes? Well, they don't actually play a role in this.
There are some 'mistakes' that occur occasionally (hermaphrodites, men born that physically appear to be women but have blind vaginas, etc), but the basic template is uniform for all mammals.

Now the psychological aspects of our sexual identity? That's far more complicated.

But to make an old observation, "You can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear".

To clarify this, cosmetic alterations do not change an organism's nature.
And an inverted penis is not a vagina, its just a mutilated sex organ.

I'm OK if you want to make body alterations, just don't try to force me to join you in your belief that you've altered yourself into something you can't be.

After two semesters of biology and one each of anatomy, physiology, genetics, and psychology (all of which are subjects that affect this discussion), I'm pretty comfortable with taking this non-PC stance.
Because it IS based on science, not someone's personal 'feelings' or belief.

[Iggy]

Really, come on guys.
Enough threads get trashed. Can we just step back and chill.

Ah well, it went off topic quite early, but now its just gotten personal without anyone making any real points.

You could lock it, as the eBay post in question has been pulled.

And I still don't quite get the connection between 'gender recognition surgery' and eBay scammers.
Seems pretty threadbare.