SAM 460 poor performance, high price

[Iggy]

The SAM460 should be a nice improvement over the SAM440.
I'm not sure its fair to compoare it to a used 1Ghz Pegasos anymore than it would be fair to compare the same Pegasos to my 1.8 Ghz Powermac.


All are fast enough to do what they need to do. After all, Amiga related software isn't that demanding.

You want power? Wait for G5 support under MorphOS or hope that a SAM465 is created.

[Iggy]

Having owned a Peg 2 and a sam 440, can anyone guess which one I sold?

Gaz

Uh, let's see. They both run Amiga OS 4,1 and the Peg will also run MorphOS. Plus the Peg is faster.

So you kept the SAM, right?  :roflmao:

[Iggy]

i guess hes sold both..

At current prices I would have and bought a Powermac.

[Iggy]

Well, the Sam 460ex's CPU is passively cooled. I have one of these machines and the only fan in the case belongs to the power supply. It's by far the quietest machine that I have.

I like the Sam 460ex. I like the faster RAM, the faster 4x PCIe bus, and the passively cooled Radeon HD 4650 that I have connected to it. The 4x PCIe bus definitely makes a difference.

It would be nice if they could bring the price down though.

Hans

I actually find that combination interesting. I wish it cost less, but I could see that as a daily use machine. Ther SAM460 is a significantly better board than the SAM 440. If I could put up with a 933 Mhz Powermac (the speed of my processor before upgrading) I could easily see using a 1.15Ghz machine.
Since this is faster than most Pegasos', how is it slow?

[Iggy]

I never understood the fascination with power pc, or people's insistance to stay on it. Sure it would be a nice option if the price was competitive with other similar performing platforms, but its not. (with morphos it is!)
 
While other platforms get faster, amiga os4 platforms stay more or less the same speed... Unless x1000 ever comes out but with an extra core thats useless... Who cares?  
 
You are paying tons extra to have so much less performance, oh and lets not get started on the browsing experience of os4.
 
paying 1000$ for a 700mhz computer and os is just crazy. My android phone cost 200$ and is 1ghz dual core. Browsing is better on my android too, and it can of course use both cores.
 
And another thing, os4 is last on my list after aros and morphos.
Sam 460 is just another letdown from the os4 camp. I'm a huge amiga fan, but I will likely NEVER have an os4 machine. They are just too slow and
os4 is just too shitty to justify that kind of expense.
 
Steven

But we already know your opinion Steven. I can't explain why i'm holding on to PPC. The prices are high. If someone manages to port AROS to the PS3, we will have our first low cost PPC system since the Efika ended production,
I'm happy with the performabce of my 1.8 Ghz 7447A, Its definitely superior to an Atom. And I've got a line on a 2.5 Ghz G5 which will definately boost performance.
I'm going tp leave X86 to the AROS crowd (even if it means they get the top performing CPUs).
But we ought to be looking at ARM. The prices are low, the performance is adequate  for our needs, and (more importantly) its not X86.

[Iggy]

Ah gawd, after reading, it's like they're pissing in the wind. All people want is a mac mini AOS4 machine. Why they go through all this trouble I can't understand. Just a few drivers and install issues away from Valhalla, so frustrating.

"A. To be honest it’s a labour of love for some of the A-EON founders (mentioning no names), however we still believe there is a real demand for high-end Amiga computers."

WRONG. How about one that just works good, and then we can talk about uber machines later. Crawl, walk, run, last I checked, was the way to get somewhere.

How about a powerful LOW cost Amiga derivative. I'm with Steven on this. ARM boards cost under $200. Where's the NG OS for these?

[Iggy]

Well they got the crawling part spot on with the sam ep

Yeah, but that was already done with the Efika (at a much lower cost).

[Iggy]

I did. See here: http://www.morphos-team.net/news.html

Thanks Piru, I use that better idea everyday.

[Iggy]

@zylesea
Blue: "name followers!!", Red:"za real thing" ........again?

Come on guys let's just cut the usual Red VS Blue childish discussions.

Mos is a good Amiga experience for those that like the Amiga spirit on any HW that also happen to be cheap and performing (and PPC based, which is a plus IMHO), others prefer the old paradigm of custom HW+AmigaOS and are willing to pay more for it.
No need to start the Nth thread about "Aoh! Come to me! I am better! Cheaper!" (and other crying forms).

You forgot the blue butterfly arguments that one, our OS runs better and two, not only is our hardware cheaper its also faster.

[Iggy]

you forgot you don't have your own HW. Some Amigans just don't like it that way. Respect that.

As for "it runs better", I am glad there is fierce competition, it creates motivation

YOU forgot the Efika and the Pegasos. While out of productiom, they are both MorphOS specific. Further, I don't care as my hardware is inexpensive and easily repaired (and faster).

[Iggy]

I don't think you can get a pegasos any longer.

Used Pegasos are fairly common and not that expensive. While the fastest Powermacs outperform them under MporphOS, Pegs can run OS4. In fact, I'd be willing to bet a 1 Ghz Pegasos is probably the highest performing OS4 platform currently available.
It would be a close call between the Pegasos and the SAM460EX and you can buy a Peg cheaper.

[Iggy]

How about a nice deal on a G3 AmigaOne SE in a Commodore Gaming midtower case, red?

How nice?
PM me.

[Iggy]

Let me pick some highlights from that:

• publicly available figures
• seems

If it was such a great success why didn't Eyetech handle warranties (which were supposedly covered by the profit margin, and was given as reason for the high price!) and why did Eyetech fail? Trying to blame it on MAI doesn't explain it. They were told numerous times that the MAI chipsets were defect.

What does any of this have to do with the SAM460EX? And while the SAM460EX is overpriced, in what fashion is it slow? I would be willing to bet its memory bandwidth is significantly higher than a Pegasos or a Powermac.

At 1.15 Ghz, this is the fastest board Acube has produced.

[Iggy]

Well at $1025 US dollars with AOS4 bit w/o shipping it is a bit rich for my tastes. The on board video is nice for basic tasks that don't require 3D.

My next purchases are still going to be a Powerbook and a G5 Powermac.

I can probably outfit both of those for the price of the SAM469EX board.
Still, I object to the SAM460EX as being called slow, its just way overpriced.

[Iggy]

The equipment that both MOS and OS4 runs on are pretty outdated by now.
 
Is the bickering really worth it anymore?
 
My crappy 300 dollar off the shelf PC has more horse power than any hardware either OS will ever run on, and I didn't have to shell out money for a proprietary OS on top of it.
Throw AROS on there (free to use, free to share), and while it won't exploit all the hardware at the moment, at least it has a future.
 
Bonus points that if I wanted to run AROS, I can actually go into a store and buy a cheapie PC to run it on.

Yes, but I didn't spend $300 on my system. And AROS has not reached the stability of MorphOS. Isn't it curious that everyone wants to port Fab's MorphOS version of OWB.
 
Face it, we've got thew most reliable NG OS and the best hardware prices.
Anyone who tries it comes away impressed. Why don't you give it a shot?