Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?

[Iggy]

Yep AGA was flawed. Difficult to program and not enough of an upgrade.
But you can't blame it for the eventual failure of the Amiga.
Perhaps the focus on he machine's gaming features is what lead the Amiga to its doom. I used to sell PC and frankly they stunk. I took years of development to get the basics that the Amiga started with.
256 color graphics? Not until VGA boards were introduced (and frankly they stunk until 2D and 3D acceleration was added).
Sound? Unless you count that built in speaker designed for error code beeps, you had to add something like a Soundblaster.

But most PCs had hard drives (a big advantage). And PC's were sold not as gaming platforms, but as productivity platforms. Good wordprocessors, spreadsheets, accounting software and other business packages made PCs useful tools for business.

Amiga marketing just wasn't focused on utility. And the machines with the expansion capabilities that looked like serious computers (ie the A4000) were way too overpriced.

[Iggy]

   

You know something I don't like all that eye candy either and now for the life of me I can't think why I run Workbench in 128 colours !!!

There is a reason but I just can't remember right now... this is my typical everyday Workbench...

Workbench? 128 colors? humbug!
Ambient - truecolor

[Iggy]

@ Iggy

Read the Post... I don't like silly eye candy...

To seen a hideous desktop like the one you posted I just switch on a MAC and say boak...

Ambient -truecolour !!! more like awe gawd my miggie now looks like any other crappy PC or MAC might as well gouge me eyes out...

I LOVE eye candy! I want a display that doesn't make me long for a crappy PC or Mac (yes I know I'm using a Mac, but NOT OSX).
BTW Franko, you're still using a Mac for internet access aren't you? Do you turn you displays down to 256 color when browsing (God that would look awful).

As NG hardware becomes more powerful and our emulation of your hardware is perfected you're not going to have much of an excuse to claim you want to keep those crappy workbench screens. Soon it should be possible to emulate all hardware (even that crappy AGA stuff).
Hell, if I was using an Amiga, I wouldn't be relying on AGA , I'd have an RTG card. And I wouldn't boot into one of those ugly Workbench screens. Even without a PPC you can run Scalos,. Workbench, AGA? F'ing ugly man.

[Iggy]

@ Iggy

OK so you love eye candy, you have my sympathies...

Dunno what you mean by "As NG hardware becomes more powerful and our emulation of your hardware" !!!

Do you actually make the hardware & write the emulators

I don't need an excuse, I wouldn't run an Amiga emulator if it were the last option left to me, simple as...

AGA may be crappy to to and your entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to my opinion that you don't have gibber some keech...

And as your not using an Amiga, your opinion doesn't count with me...

You wound me more deeply than you realize Franko. In my time here interacting with you all I've found your posts valid, provacative and often damned amusing.
And I would never dismiss your approach to Amiga computing. But When I use a MAC, it isn't under OSX. And I believe we could broaden the narrow concepts of what so many of you think an Amiga is.
Even at this late date, I believe we have a chance of not just retaining our legacy systems, but introducing newer improved system decended/imspired by our favorite computer.

I don't care if you don't think my approach is valid. AROS, AOS4, and MorphOS supporter are the last line of defense in keeping the Amiga community under user control. Do I create emulators, dude up until a few months ago I was designing a new PPC motherboard (my area has always been hardware).

You all can cling to your misperception that only your aged legacy hardware is a valid base for an Amigan. But if your side wins, one day most people may associate Amiga with something sold by Barry Altman.

I can run most of your software now, I believe I will be able to run all of it soon, and I can run software your legacy hardware is incapable of running.

Why would you dismiss my approach to Amiga computing when you rely on a Mac running OSX to access the internet? At least when I access the internet I'm using OWB like any other self respecting Amigan.

And don't patronise me our attempt to diminsh my technical experience. My company was selling multi-user 68K based systems (that started with four users on the BASE system) for only $9999 when then Amiga4000s (supporting only one user) were selling for 3 times as much. And our systems could be equipped with standard vga cards, PC keyboards, and mice to support a additional user with a GUI ported to our hardware by Steve Adams (who had originally created it for Gespac).

I turn 50 at the end of this months. I owned all the original issues of Creative Computing (you know, back when they were advertising the Apple I). And my first system was a SWTPC computer. My expereience predates PCs and Amigas. I was one of the truly devoted Motorola processor fanatics and I am as disappointed as ANYONE on this site that we did not win that battle.

You guys keep playing with your toys.

I want something that continues to evolve (and yes I CAN help create it).

Take care,Jim.

[Iggy]

Whether I wound you or not is not my fault, sorry but when someone disses the Amiga like you have being doing here the I shall certainly voice my opinion as to how I feel about such views.

OK so you developed or have developed hardware, you miss the point entirely here, the original question asked by the thread starter was "Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA" it was not asking about what your opinion was of everything that is wrong with AGA, that's in the other thread someone started.

I don't dismiss your approach to things, I do dismiss however your opinions on Amiga hardware and what has me using a Mac to be on the internet anything to do with my use of an Amiga. I've lived perfectly happily since 1982 using Commodore computers and until June of this year never being on the internet. Soon enough I shall be going back to living that way, so that should cheer you up at least.

I wasn't patronising you, I know next to nothing about you I was simply asking you a question which you have now answered, thank you.

What has being 3 years older than me go to do with things !. I'll keep using my Amigas which are far from being just toys but again it begs the question if you hate so much about the Amiga and all it's shortcomings and now consider it as nothing more than a mere toy then why the hell do you bother with it so much.

You go ahead and help create the next Amiga and best of luck to you, but from the new thread you've just started it won't be much of an Amiga if you have your way especially when you say "by eliminating some backward compatibility". The X1000 and the stuff Commodore USA are doing have that corner of the market covered allready.

Sorry you hold the Amiga in such low regard but to me it's been the best home computer I've had the honour and joy of using and always will be until the day I shuffle off this mortal coil, but then that's just me and the way I like things...

One of the things I learned in college was an important principle in scientific analysis - never make a false assumption.
I in no way hold the Amiga in low regard. I think it was one of the most creative, groundbreaking systems ever introduced, I just think that the development/evolution of the system was clearly botched.
AGA looks better, but its horrifiying to program and wasn't nearly enough of an improvement.

And I've answered your question, I don't hate AGA, I just wish that the next evolution in Amiga hardware had made the kind of drastic improvement the original Lorraine made (over every other computer).
Nope, don't hate it, just disappointed by it.

And again, your use of a Mac? Didn't you refer to them as 'crappy'? At least my Mac is running an Amiga compatible OS.

[Iggy]

http://emumiga.com/
A project that makes AROS X86 runs 68K Amiga programs transparently.

Yeah! I am so digging this idea. The whole NG vs legacy arguement is damned silly. We already have really fast systems that implement and expand on all AOS operations and the hold back crowd still uses the "I don't want it if it won't run 100% of my software" or the "I'm waiting for the Natami because its a REAL Amiga not emulation" (yeah, right).

It will be very cool to see an NG system with all that wonderful eye candy, processing power, and modern features seemlessly run all the legacy software that everyone seems to think is so important.

If these guys don't watch out, CUSA hardware may wind up being every bit as Amiga as their own (and faster, more modern, cheaper, etc).

[Iggy]

I have to apologize myself for formenting such strong contentions.

As I explained simply to Franko, its the Irish in me.

I like AGA, but I wanted us to rule the world! Oh, better go take the medication.

Jim