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I see absolutely no harm in having pages for "Amiga NG Systems" or "Amiga like systems".  

They have pertinence and interest amongst the Amiga community.  Don't let narrow vision and crippling definitions of what one perceives as an "Amiga" keep helpful info off a site like BBOAH.

I can fire up my MOS machine or my SAM and run a classic Amiga program just fine, no emulation required.  I know neither machine has a C= logo on the case, I know they aren't Amiga's.  But are they of interest and in relation to the Amiga lineage?

I believe so.  

If having a SAM or MOS box on BBOAH is something that will keep you up nights, I truly worry about y'all, lol.
 

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Quote from: nicholas;745346
It's about pollution.

Who is the ultimate judge on what constitutes "pollution"?  Who sets the bar as to purity?  Sort of subjective upon whoever is looking at things, no?

I've got very little interest in legacy Amiga stuff these days.  If someone was to post legacy machine info on a NG Amiga site I visit, would I be offended and call it "pollution"?  No.  I likely wouldn't read it if it held none of my interest and leave it at that.  Such a case would be loosely related to what I am interested in, but really offer me nothing, so I simply would skip over it just like I do the sports page in the morning newspaper.  Not my cup of tea, but certainly not "pollution" if someone gets value out of it even if I do not.

I know that sports section is there everyday in my newspaper, and that someone surely enjoys it even if I do not, and that's it's ultimately my choice to disregard it.  I don't lose sleep over that sports section, you know?

Whatever happened to people having the personal free will to just read what is interesting to them and ignore what they do not like, or what they are not interested in.
 

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I admitted it myself on my own beliefs and nothing more.  Ones definition of an Amiga may only be towards C= hardware and not AT or Escom, or any of the NG platforms.  I'd just like to see a single site with all native, amiga like hardware represented, old or new (not covering emulation hardware, obviously - a PC is still a PC and all, with or without UAE , AF or Amithlon).

That being said, the "Amiga" right beside me clearly says "Amiga OS" on the titlebar at the top of the Workbench screen.  It'll run pretty much any classic, legacy 68k software I try on it.  In that sense it is an Amiga, no?  

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Well put, Matt.
 

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Always been the problem with Amigans, Itix.  The "our" mentality.  Like the NG guys and guys that use emulation are the lepers of the bunch.  It's always been part of the Amiga curse and it stinks.

We're all on the same boat, Lads.  NG, classic, emulation, whatever it is - you should be damned thankful there's even an Amiga scene *left",  rather than driving wedges over stupid semantics like "baww, those new school guys wanna put their poopy new pics and info on *our* site!".  Use what you enjoy.  I'd love to hear your experiences with it, even if I use a different method at getting my "Amiga" fix.

My logic?  If someone goes there (BBOAH or elsewhere) after 20 years of being out of the Amiga scene, and sees something that sparks his interest, classic or NG - that gets him back into the Amiga?  Godspeed to him.  Information is power.  I'm happy to get another Amigan back into the fold, whether he uses an A500, an X1000, or a MOS rig.

Find it ironic that no one has issues with the completely vaporware or prototype stuff, or the oddball kiosk stuff that *really* has no overlap to the dear classics on BBOAH, but they fudge their undies at the mere mention of NG hardware.  "TAINTED, TAINTED!!!  I CALL THEE TAINTED!!!"

I'd be amused if it wasn't just so damned predictable, really.  Guess the major thing missed in all of this was the "if this link doesn't pertain to you, don't click it!" ideal.

Truth of the matter is, Vox merely asked for help doing sections on the NG stuff.  Instead everyone went into this Holy War mode and went into the usual tirade.  Vox, if you still plan on adding this info (and I hope you do), I'd be happy to help you, as I own a SAM 440 and a MOS Mac (as well as an A1200).
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All I was asking is what advantages does adding commodity hardware to the database give?

That's a very good question, and one that did enter my mind in regards to how I use the site, but perhaps I was a bit short sighted in regards to other peoples usage cases.  Me, I couldn't care less about what is listed on BBOAH.  I visit there a couple times a week and read what interests me personally and skip what doesn't interest me.  Pretty simple concept to ignore what doesn't offer me any value, and I'm glad a site like BBOAH even exists.  It's one of the Amiga sites that we simply cannot ever let slip away, it's of that much value, just like Aminet or A.org.  I can say 100% that in 2008, when I was getting back into the Amiga after being gone from it since around 1994, BBOAH truly did bring me back into the Amiga scene with its' wealth of information.

"Commodity hardware" is an odd word to use, but a suitable word.  A PPC Mac running MOS is still a Mac, even though it's running an Amiga-oid OS.  Same goes for things like the SAM, they are embedded boards that coincidentally run an Amiga-oid OS, OS4.  Neither are "official Amiga's".

I think a lot of people fear what this will usher in.  If we add the SAM boards (and other OS4 boards), and MOS capable machines, AROS machines - what's next?  Any PC running Amiga Forever or Amithlon deserves its' own entry?  Nah, that's never going to happen, IMO.  Same goes for "wolves in sheeps clothing" things like the re-fabbed C-USA C64 clone cases with PC guts, or their Amiga branded Mini ITX Mac Mini knockoffs.  Is it right for me to have no issues with SAM and OS4/MOS, or AROS rigs getting on BBOAH, but I have worries about someone coming along demanding that an off the shelf PC running Amiga Forever warrants its' own entry?  Who knows.

I suppose I am looking at the future more than anything.  Legacy, and I mean true legacy - Amiga hardware at the base machine level will never be made again.  A lucky lottery winner would be foolish to start remaking a 20 year old computer like the A1200.  The future lies in expansion products like Amigakit and other supportive vendors are selling for legacy fans, as well as in the NG systems - and perhaps even more so in the FPGA implementations like FPGA Arcade.  FPGA Arcade is no more of a truly technically "Amiga" solution that a SAM or MOS machine, is it?  I mean, for you hard line Amiga zealots, it's "still not an Amiga", is it?  Same goes for a Minimig - yet Minimig has an entry on BBOAH that no one seems to be griping about.

One serious question I have of all of you:  When the FPGA Arcade goes public and undoubtedly impresses the living heck out of all of us, does it warrant a BBOAH entry?  I mean, it's no more a "real Amiga" by most of you peoples standards than the SAM or MOS machines on my desk are, you know?  Choose wisely, lest thee appear to be a hypocrite :)
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Would be happy to send you any SAM 440ep information you need, just let me know what you are after via a PM here if you like.  Owned a 440ep since late 2008.
 

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I suppose if the operator of the site wishes to include NG systems, it's well within their rights, isn't it?  Hey, she's a free world.  Nothing stopping a person from creating a purist site only dealing with one specific genre of the hobby.

Curious still why stuff like Minimig is kosher but other newer systems simply are not.  Minimig or FPGA is no more "Amiga" at the base level hardware than a NG PPC machine is.  A question I am pretty sure we won't ever get an answer to :)
 

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Agree with Blizz there - going to include one, make sure the rest of the comparable NG systems are covered.