Why do I have to buy PoseidonUSB v2.x for Spider II from ELBOX?

[mboehmer_e3b]

Dear Tjaoz (aka Rat),

once again, I have to tell you that you claim things which are not correct.
And I can prove this, by just taking the Elbox website (price list), a simple
list of exchange rates (EUR and US$, you know), and a calculator.

> And this is true. You probably have seen my summary:
>
> USB 2.0 controller:
> Spider II (5 ports) + Drivers + Poseidon ~= $70
>
> USB 1.1 controllers:
> Algor (3 ports) + Driver +Poseidon ~= $115
> Highway (4 ports) + Driver + Poseidon ~= $100
> Subway (4 ports) + Driver + Poseidon ~= $85

Please note (once again, like in another
thread where you used this wrong list),
learn about the difference in "VAT incl." and "VAT excl.". And, that (USD != EUR).
So, if you do comparisons, do them fair. Optionally, use your brain.
You took into account in your last comparison that things which have to be bought
additionally should be taken into account.

So, the list corrected by your "simplifications", should say:

Algor (3 ports) + Driver + Poseidon + 512kB FlashROM ~= 115EUR
Spider II (5 ports) + Drivers + Poseidon + PCI slot + 0kB FlashROM ~= 130EUR

Could you explain this to me ?
You "forgot" to answer to my corrections, for whatever reasons.
Maybe for lack of arguments, or maybe you still are looking for someone being able
of algebra.

Anyhow, I have another question... I might cite you:

> Of course I appreciate that their producer must have been able to read the Zorro2
> specification, to plot the board, to program a simple PLD chip and to connect it
> with a dollar-cheap 8-bit USB controller taken from Atmel or with such chip from
> Transdimension.

Well, my dearest friend, you seem to be quite experienced with hardware design.
Your description is right, as far as the basic principle is concerned.
But the devil likes the details, anyhow.
Your claim (hey, how do you get on Atmel ? Seems that you have problems with
both reading and algebra) shows me that you never ever did anything with hardware
on your own.
I may advise you: talk about things you know.

As things are so easy... how many Zorro cards did you design by yourself up to now ?
How many "simple CPLDs" have you rolled on your own ?
Erm, please talk louder, I can't hear you... what ? Louder...

> I have the impression that the main reason of your word crusade against Elbox
> is aimed at helping in sales of overpriced Zorro2 cards made by your friend.

Hey, that must be the reason that this damned overpriced HIGHWAY card is sold out.
Maybe this is also the reason why most customers are quite happy with this card.
Any maybe that's why there's demand for a successor card.
Or for some people dropping Spider cards in favour of the upcoming ALGOR.
Thanks for this hint.

Oh, by the way, I always enjoy reading some bullshit originating from you.
It's so ridiculous and makes me laugh while reading some Zorro II specs or
programming a simple CPLD. Maybe I should engage you as jester... in case your PR job
here does not pay well.

Michael

[mboehmer_e3b]

Dear tjaoz,

Yes, my work is productive. Still, my professional work has nothing to do with this forum.

Just being curious... you don't happen to work as photographer ? For advertisment ? In a nice little town which name begins with a "T" ?

If so, nice pictures anyway.

Michael

[mboehmer_e3b]

Hi ikir,

why do you repost this list which is obviously containing errors, even if you take the guidelines for comparisons Mr. Tjaoz (aka Rat) is giving in its own postings ?
I tried to explain why here, but it seems easier for people to repost things without ever checking with their own brains if they are true or not.
(Did you recognize that Mr. Tjaoz (aka Rat) is denying to answer this thread ? Just beat him with his own arguments, and all there is is silence...)

Seems that I am talking into the void

Michael

[mboehmer_e3b]

Hi jeffimix,

from the solutions which were posted here all Zorro based one will work in your Amiga 2000:

Thylacine, ALGOR, HIGHWAY

If you have a Zorro card included in your system with a free supported clockport, also a SUBWAY would work.

I won't give you my favourite solution here, as this might be found offensive by some people, but for my A2000 with a Blizzard 2040 processor card I found the ALGOR card to work perfectly (take a look on the benchmarks, they were made on this system).

Michael

[mboehmer_e3b]

Dear Mr. Tjaoz,

no  answers, just repetitions. As expected from you.
Just two quotesfrom you  to show it.

The USB stack is not included in the WalMart card price.
The USB stack, which is necessary for using this card is the part of the Microsoft Windows or the Apple Mac OS system.
You should add the part of Windows or Mac OS price to the Walmart card price if you compare it to Spider II + Drivers + Poseidon.

Such calculation of controller's price is a clear nonsens!
It is obvious that Spider is being bought by those who have PCI slots (or PCI and Zorro slots), while Zorro2 controllers are being bought by those who do not have PCI slots.
Logical and natural, isn't it? It does not mean anything how much their computers used to be some time ago.

In one posting, you demand that all parts necessary for running a product need to be taken into account, in the next you deny it - according what is more convinient to you.
Quite twisted. What should one do now ?
Think about it, take a decision and then come back.

Regarding price of Zorro slots: nice try, but as you state above: it is obvious the ALGOR is not bought by those who don't have Zorro slots. If they have A1200, they own a clockport and go for a SUBWAY.

Michael

[mboehmer_e3b]

Dear Mr. Tjaoz,

so in your opinion only software prices are to be taken into account, if they are needed, but not the hardware necessary for running the software or at least adding the hardware under comparison to your computer ?
Somehow twisted...

You are suggesting adding part of computer price when comparing price for USB controllers.

The PCI board is not part of the computer, but an expansion board added lateron. Zorro slots / clockports are part already in the base device.

I do not add part of the computer price, but part of an expansion board price. Can you follow me ?

Michael