Would you support a new Unified Opensource RTG standart?

[KThunder]

no

[KThunder]

That's where all this started, if you had been paying attention.... the P96 SDK is not available, and the rightholders refuse to open it. The only way to write P96 drivers today, legally, is to through reverse engineering an existing driver.

I was paying attention, I was talking about programming for p96 not just drivers but other sofware. I toned my response back to one word because it doesn't really matter to me. I'm just sick of people starting threads like this. Come up with even a hobbled together beta and I'll eat my words. It's all well and good to come up with ideas but lets see them go somewhere.
We have had dozens of thread on great ideas that had tons of "support" that went nowhere.

[KThunder]

@kthunder: ok, and where is the place to gather and discuss such an idea if not on a forum? maybe it will get nowhere, but why do you get upset just when people discuss it?

Discussions do nothing! Rolling up your sleeves, digging into the os and rtg docs, programming graphics software, actually doing the work of setting up an opensource rtg standard will do something.

I'm much more impressed with someone who actually gets working, gets his homework done, then comes to us (his "support") for suggestions and help.

If he came to us with a website with all the docs, his programming ideas, maybe some outlines and at least some code with what he is talking about, that is a totally different situation.

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we have had dozens of threads posted "gauging interest" the question is how much is the author of said post is interested and able. I don't think Ive seen many that people weren't interested in.
Can you program? Do you have any of the materials necissary to do this? Or are you just thinking "boy wouldn't that be great"
Sorry, these threads really annoy me. We have people interested, we have people desparate to give real cash monies for this stuff, but that doesn't get stuff done. Real work does.

[KThunder]

@kthunder:so people who just want to brainstorm about if some idea is worth considering at all and what the way to take shall hide from you in the corner? concurrent projects have to be started by single visionary programmers. no right to coorinate effort is granted? its redicolous. there is a lot going on without that you probably are aware of anyway.

@gulliver: yeah, the title reads a little misleading, maybe you could adjust that.

Noone has to hide from me. But pie in the sky dreams with no support from the dreamer are vapor pure and simple.  Noone was aware of what Dennis Van Weeren was doing and he made what amounts to an amiga clone.

[KThunder]

I know of people who have worked on drivers by themselves. Ahi was created almost entirely by Martin Blom. Thats a complete audio standard and several drivers by one guy.

[KThunder]

Are there enough video projects out there to justify an open source standard incorperating both of the old? or would effort put into other areas make more sense? For example a opensource setup that can coexist with the old.

[KThunder]

sorry i'm not really adding anything to this. being more of a pain in the arse than anything.

[KThunder]

i was actually editing post to make myself look like less of an idiot.... it didnt work
and i wasnt whining i asked several questions and made several comments and gulliver didnt respond at all.

[KThunder]

vesa 2.0 had operations for querying cards for features as well as setup for video modes etc. vesa 3.0 has some 3d operations in hardware, but it is difficult to find info on3.0 for programming or card support.
I dont think 3.0 is in rom it is a program you setup and it has to support your card. there isnt any real reason it has to be x86 only or even isa/pci/agp/pcix