They may be made with help from the Genesi staff, but its still at DCE, and DCE still gets money for the use of its manufacturing equipment. Untill I get my PPC back i will not support them at all, even if its fora outstanding product. I paid a lot of money for that CSPPC card and it didnt even work when I got it. It was under warrenty and they basicly stole my card and never even bothered to ever contact me again untill this thread was started and Ron decided to help us all out. I owe him a lot of gratitude if all this works out, but I fell he is doing it to help save the good name of Genesis more then honestly wanting to get this solved on our behalf. Again thanks Ron, but lets please get this over and worked out.