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Re: Speed comparisons A500 etc.
« on: January 17, 2015, 05:37:54 PM »
Quote from: ElPolloDiabl;781890
Hi
In using just Workbench, what speed difference do you notice when:
a) Adding fast memory
b) a 14mhz 68000 plus fast memory
Also is there much difference between a 68020 and 68030 when just using Workbench and loading games.

A)  As Paul said, adding Fast ram to a stock A500 provides a modest speed boost, say 5%.  The big gain comes from running program code in FAST (CPU only address space) and preserving the CHIP memory that is shared between all of the custom processors.  You can run larger and more sophisticated programs with FAST ram added.  If you add enough, some of it can even be earmarked as a RAD: (a re-bootable electronic floppy!).

B)  There were several 14 Mhz 68000 16-bit accelerators made (like ICD's model) and even a home brew project.  I tried both. They were VERY disappointing in performance and compatibility (maybe another 10% when they worked, certainly NOT 2x the speed) due to inadequate buffering and timing collisions.  Don't waste your money on one of these!

The 16-bit alternatives were:
1) swapping in a 68010 for the 68000.  This was very compatible with all hardware and probably 99.5% of software.  Performance claims ranged from 5% to 10%.  The last time I did this, the cost was about $10.  :)  This was the only accereration that would not destroy an A570!
2)  Supra's Turbo 28 was very compatible and well designed (plenty of buffering and no timing issues). IIRC, performance was over 3 times a stock A500 when coupled with some FAST ram (like Supra's 500RX).  This is better than a stock A1200.  Sadly, Supra never combined their units, so, you can end up with a number of modules hanging off the side of an A500.  I currently have one in an A2000.  It's wonderful. ;)

I have less experience with full 32-bit accelerators (68020 and 68030) installed in A500s.  I would be concerned about compatibility of other peripherals from mixed manufacturers.   Even with these, the addition of some FAST ram (now must be 32-bits wide) greatly improves their performance.
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Re: Speed comparisons A500 etc.
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2015, 12:48:42 AM »
Quote from: Oldsmobile_Mike;781924
...Is the A570 really not compatible with any other accelerator?  That sucks.  :(


Back when the A570 was part of my main system, I was desperate to make something work.  I also tried Mtec's 68030 acelerator.  Most of these combinations wouldn't even boot with the A570.  The ICD appeared to work intermittently for about a week.  Then, the A570 became permanently damaged by the timing issues and it had to be replaced.  This was expensive.

I was able to get the new A570 to work reliably with a SCSI-TV (HD interface), Supra 500RX (FAST ram), 68010, & KS 2.05.
 

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Re: Speed comparisons A500 etc.
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2015, 04:18:09 PM »
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not to hijack the tread. but i am in a bit of the same situation. i have a beloved derringer 030 (50mhz) and i really love the speed and the 32mb ram it adds. however. i use the trumphcard sidecar expansion. with a outdated scsi controller and a dying hdd. and i have tried all my scsi drive. but the controller wont recognize them. in another tread im told the controller wont accept any disk larger than 300~ 500mb. my smallest drive is 1 gig. and the sidecar is annoyingly large.
Is there any ide controller made for the internal cpu slot that is compatible with accelerators?

As for the tread. the derringer performs really well in the 500+.
i dont remember the number in my head. but the graph in sysinfo is close to the performance of an a1200 with blizzard 1230.

Now my a500+ is picked appart in bits and pieces for upgrading and fixing the battery leakage on the main board. it is stopped. and i hope to add a battery of the newer coin style. (have some schematics to work with..)
And i want to hack the derringer to accept 128mb ram :D

But my main interest is to find a ide controller that can sit between the derringer and the cpu slot... anyone got any clues?

Some thoughts:

If your Derringer and Trumphcard play nice together, that may be the rare pearl to hang on to.  I've never worked with a Trumphcard, but, it sound like it needs an updated ROM to allow more modern sized HDs (at least up to 4 Gigs).  You could contact TJLazer on this site to see if he has an update for this interface.
Or, you could find a smaller SCSI HD.  300 MB sounds small by today's standards, but, for tightly coded Amiga software, it may be very livable depending on your purpose for the system.

ICD made an IDE interface that sandwiched under the 68000.  I've never tried it, but I'll bet its ROM is old, too..  There seems to be NO demand for their designs today.  That may speak volumes.
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Re: Speed comparisons A500 etc.
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2015, 05:51:06 AM »
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...To my surprise i find a DKB spitfire inside the sidecar. cant remember purchasing it. Anybody got any info on the spitfire?....

Looks like another SCSI interface.  Google?  ;)
 

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Re: Speed comparisons A500 etc.
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2015, 08:25:34 PM »
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I previously used a Supra28 and SupraRAM with 2MB but now I use an MTec 020/14 and 882/20 with 4MB, it's not that much of a speed difference between the two but I prefer an internal solution and both are great additions to any vanilla A500.

For more speed benchmarks I suggest checking out Amiga Hardware Database.


From what do you boot the system?  Did you find compatible HD interfaces?