Relative merits of AmigaOne compared to Pegasos?

[Seehund]

This could have been a short and sweet thread, with one link to the Teron PX specs and Eyetech's available configurations, plus one link to Genesi's Peg II blurb.

But oh, no.

Anyway, here's a table comparing the boards. I'm sure  people will post corrections if necessary.




EDIT: For bandwidth conservation, I removed the inline pic and linked to it instead. I've submitted it to the amiga.org gallery too, so when/if it's accepted it might be a good idea to link to it there instead.

EDIT 2: Now that the pic will stress the amiga.org server instead of "my own", I put the inline pic back.

[Seehund]

vortexau wrote:

One correction that I could make to that comparison chart that Seehund so kindly provided, is the G4 cpu provided with the A1XEG4 can be clocked at 800 or 933Mhz and retain dealer warrenty.

No, according to Alan Redhouse you void your warranty if you run the CPU at its normal Motorola-specified max speed (933MHz).

I would hope that there's a reason behind selling the Teron PX's advertised, specified and underclocked to 800MHz core frequency, and that it's not done just for fun! Now it's sold and guaranteed only as an 800MHz system, so of course that's the figure used in the comparison.

A question to the Teron owners here; are the CPUs underclocked by having the multiplier decreased or by setting the FSB to 100MHz?

[Seehund]

MikeB wrote:

I'b be interested in getting a new PPC system (as opposed to a PPC card for my old machine) and have noticed that there are currently two real choices: An AmigaOne/Lite or a Pegasos II.

Hhm, considering most people seem to be talking about the AmigaOne-XE instead of answering your question I should give it a try.

If you examine his question again, you'll see that he's asking about "real" choices.

Personally I interpreted his "AmigaOne/Lite" as "AmigaOne (current ones) or AmigaOne Lite".

The only "real choice" being sold under the "AmigaOne" trademark today and for any known period of time is the Teron PX.

Whatever board it is that one day will be sold as an "AmigaOne Lite" (sorry, namechange again, "Micro AmigaOne"), it's not even out of prototyping stage yet, and it's full and final specs are just as unknown as its price. Let's bring that board into the discussion when it's at least known what it is, when it'll be released and how much it'll cost.

First you need to ask yourself do you want AmigaOS4, MorphOS or do you just want to use Linux.

Read his question again. He has apparently already decided on this ("hardware platform that can run an 'Amiga-like' OS, along with Linux and maybe even OS X").

So, ignoring the "OS X" bit, it's narrowed down to a Teron or a Pegasos, unfortunately.

And if you want to run Linux wait for both the Pegasos2 and AmigaOne-Lite to be demonstrated in combination with Linux.

If he was just interested in Linux, I'd personally recommend a much cheaper and much faster x86 box, or maybe a second hand cheap PowerBook without the grunt to run OSX...

The MicroA1 (AmigaOne Lite) pricing has not yet to be announced but should be significantly cheaper than the AmigaOne-XE.

If this would be the case, Eyetech's pricing philosopy would look a bit strange. The board to be sold as a "MicroA1" is mini-ITX (more elaborate and expensive design and fabrication process), and it will apparently also have better specs than the Teron PX.

I suppose a reduction in price right from the start could come from Eyetech decreasing their margins. I don't know how much Eyetech pays for the Teron PX's when they buy them in volume, but 10-20% less than the "normal" Teron PX G4 end-user price of $500 could be a conservative guesstimate. That would give Eyetech a current margin of $350-400 per board!

[Seehund]

BouncingAyatollah wrote:
@Seehund

Huh? I believe you were replying to the Evil Klingon Klown!

[Seehund]

MikeB wrote:
@ Seehund

If you examine his question again, you'll see that he's asking about "real" choices

So, have you seen the Pegasos2 run anything yet? Like for instance Debian or MorphOS.

Good point, and I agree with those that have said it's basically Yet Another Paper Launch until people hear a thump in their mailboxes.

How exactly is this board at this stage a more real solution than the AmigaOne-Lite

Because, in contrast to the MicroA1 board, it's for sale, it's specs are known and final, and it's for sale at a known final price. BTW, am I imagining things when I recall seeing someone from Genesi saying it's in production?
If any of this should change for the worse, affecting people who already have ordered it, then I'll join you in a unison BOO GENESI!

which will be demonstrated tomorrow running Linux

If I understood Alan R's and Ole-Egil's constant reminders correctly, the board that one of these days will be sold as a MicroA1 is still in prototyping, with yet unknown final specs, as well as undisclosed designers (let me guess... Hi Bill! ) and manufacturers. In that case, this prototype is what will be demonstrated in Austria.