Which OS Would Be The Best Amiga Way Forward...

[lsmart]

MorphOS is way ahead of any and all of the competition in the Amiga field.

 And of course you yourself are way ahead of all other users, which is why you use it, right?

[lsmart]

Amiga clock is trivial and isolated application. The only interface it has is a window. Real life applications are much more complex and interact with the host environment in various complex ways.

You can´t expect the EmuAmiga guys to have a full working version when they are just starting out. If they keep at it, they will have a much better situation then e.g. the WINE-team because they already have source compatibitly. Compared to a Windows-ABI their job is indeed closer to the trivial side. It will take time though and the other guys are definitely ahead on this one.

Well if 30% of the Amiga-apps face a deadlock in version 1.0 of EmuAmiga version it is still a great step forward compared to having just UAE. If they get DeluxePaint working in 2.0 I´d be pretty impressed, but not surprised.

[lsmart]

For it to work it would need to have EVERY system-structure twice in memory both appearing at the same address (possible with MMU) for x86 and 68k. Both closely monitored for changes (also possible with MMU).

You are forgetting that we are running under CPU emulation anyways, so you don't actually need any real MMU. You will end up duplicating all structures, but this is just part of your interface. Everything you don't interface to has to run in emulation as well.

[lsmart]

MorphOS is just plain better.  It has been under development longer and chose better components to start with.  Some AmigaOS4.x users just can't stand to read those facts

They might have a different opinion. I simply don't care about MorphOS. I don't own the hardware to run it and neither the newer MUI nor Ambient look like something that would impress me much.

I guess in your terms I am already trolling for just stating that. I have found that classic, UAE, AROS and AmigaOS4 aren't as aggressive as the blue team. Just today somebody posted an Animation that was created to make fun about the red camp and it was neither funny nor informative. And here they are trying to demotivate AROS fans by claiming something can't be done which is actually technically feasible (a pattern I have seen more than once).

So, sorry folks, but you aren't playing fair.

[lsmart]

Where? :-)

I has been retweeted on twitter. I found it here. In fact it was what motivated me to write my previous post. Maybe I have been just a bit over-sensitive. I am sorry for all the nice MorphOS fans who might have felt wrongly accused by my post. And here for your enjoyment:

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But if something can not be implemented why not argue about it?

Because Piru knows that it is feasible. It´s not easy and hobby coders won´t make it work, but its feasible. The point is that neither AmigaOS nor MorphOS can support Intel chips without a major headache and AROS on first sight should have the same difficulties. But since AROS doesn´t have to care about the PPC stuff and old Amigas are comparatively slow and small they can get away with some things that wouldn´t work out for the other guys. If AROS can run on 68k, 68k can run on AROS.

[lsmart]

The performance numbers don't lie.

Maybe they don´t, but some MorphOS fans claimed e.g. that you can´t watch DVDs on a SAM, beacause of the performance. Which works fine here out of the box. I get a decent framerate on my SAM. It was denied that you can edit video on OS4 with Blender. Which I did, although I must confess that it was terribly slow and you´d better get an X1000 for that (or even better - use MacOS Xs iMovie).

Even if MorphOS outshines on some measurements it doesn´t mean the alternatives don´t have their merits and you have to talk them down in order to look better.

[lsmart]

I don't consider the current emuamiga feasible.

So maybe I misunderstood you. I don´t know much about the current emuamiga design and it wouldn´t be the first thing to get a complete rewrite before it reaches version 1.

I don´t understand why others keep referencing 3rd party structures. If they are written for AmigaOS they won´t leave the emulation so their endianness doesn´t change. If they are written for AROS they won´t be needed fot the 68k binaries anyways. The only data that has to cross the emulation/system border is the data of standard 3.1 libraries and devices.