AmigaDE for Pegasos PPC website

[Glaucus]

If the AmigaDE didn't have the name "Amiga" in it, that piece of sh!t known as Bill Buck wouldn't have anything to do with it.

Actually, the site is for ANY PowerPC platform support. Did anyone notice that?

I'll tell ya what I noticed; The first word you see on there is "Amiga", which is trademarked and not by you, nor do you have a license for it.

Edit by Kees - Personal attack


  - Mike

[Glaucus]

Of course there is, but you'd have to persuade Amiga Inc out of their entrenched position first. Good luck in that attempt, because you'll need it.

Why single out Amiga Inc with your use of the word "entrenched"?

You know it's funny, when the MOS guys bash Amiga Inc, the AmigaDE is usually one of the first things used against Amiga Inc. Personally, I don't care one way or the other about Amiga DE, but I do find it strange that the MOS team seems so desperate to have the AmigaDE, especially considering how most MOS fans have nothing but contempt for it.

Also, this website about generic PPC systems, as bbrv would like you believe, highlights the AmigaDE - which as far as I am aware of DOES NOT EXIST FOR THE PPC. In fact, it has only been marketted for the x86 market.

If you don't like Amiga Inc, fine, I can accept that. No problem there. But what I don't understand is why the MOS fanatics seem to take no issues with the very questionable tactics used by the MOS team to rip apart and hurt the other side of the Amiga equation. It's both pathetic and stupid. I will not apologize and perhaps a flame war is in order!

  - Mike

[Glaucus]

The rest of your post simply repeats what I've already said, and then goes on to apparently class me as a MOS fanatic.

Okay, for that I'm sorry as I do respect you, and I was not trying to imply that you are a fanatic of any kind. In fact, the only part directed at you was the entrenched part. And what I meant by that is, sure Amiga Inc is adamantly refusing to give out AmigaDE to it's number one competitor. But at the same time, the MOS team is equally entrenched in their fight to get the DE - a technology that is more or less dead and has always been bashed by the MOS fanatics - from Amiga Inc. In other words, they are both equally locked in their own private struggle, there's no need to make it seem like the MOS team is somehow more reasonable on this particular issue.

  - Mike

[Glaucus]

Who is and who is not in the right regarding DE will eventually be decided by the court.

Correct, and if the courts decide in favour of Genesi then they would at least have a legal right to make reference to the AmigaDE on their website, however, as far as I know the court case is still on-going.

The reason I'm singling out Amiga Inc on the issue is because so far they are the ones who have made it plain they will not negotiate.

It is also in Amiga Inc's right to not negotiate and let the courts settle it. If I were in their shoes I'd probably do the same, especially if they feel they have a strong case. Unfortunately it seems they can't afford counsil which may sink their ship, but that's a different matter. And who's to say what's going on behind closed doors? Negotiations may very well be going on, there's no reason to trust anyone involved as to what's really going on in private. Personally, I don't trust Bill Buck's public statements regarding such business dealings.

You seem to saying that Genesi are inflexible for not dropping the matter altogether.

Well, yes in a way I am because what I really am doing is questioning Genesi's motives. Why go to the trouble of aquiring a technology that both you and I, and many others, consider a useless technology (at least on the desktop market, the mobil market may still prove to be viable)? Even if AmigaDE becomes viable, there's little reason for it to be bundled with the OS. Hell, even the current version of OS4 isn't slated to have the AmigaDE included in it, why would one expect Amiga Inc to hand it over to the MOS team?!? Really, it makes no sense, which makes me wonder if there are more sinister plots at hand. To make it perfectly clear, I am accusing the MOS team of deliberatly trying to hurt Amiga Inc, while at the same time trying to get the legal rights to the AmigaDE simply for the name's sake. Remember, in my first (or was it second?) post I said that Bill Buck only cares about the AmigaDE because it has the "Amiga" name in it. I think that sums it up pretty well. So, back to your original statement... What's to negotiate when what Genesi REALLY wants is the "Amiga" name and Amiga Inc could not possibly have any benefit from sharing it's one and only trump card with their main competitor! It makes no sense for Amiga to negotiate - it's do or die for them and without in betweens. Does that make sense?

  - Mike

[Glaucus]

Just to re-enforce my arguments here....

When you go to this new web site, the first thing that pops up at you is the word "AmigaDE", followed directly by the AmigaDE logo which looks a hell of a lot like the AmigaOS logo. In fact, most people out of the loop would probably assume they are only different versions of the same thing - which they are clearly not.

But that's not all. The web site doesn't even mention who built the AmigaDE. That's right, not one mention of AmigaDE's founder, Amiga Inc. In fact, in the About section we have this little gem:
The AmigaDE PPC Community (ADEC) is offered by Genesi as a free service for all developers interested in AmigaDE PPC.

I mean, if I didn't know any better, I would assume Genesi built and designed the AmigaDE. In fact, they don't even mention Intent or Tao, but they DO have a convinient link to the Genesi web site. Generally speaking, a company never offers product support for their competitors! That's like Microsoft creating a developer community for Linux users!

And last but not least, the AmigaDE PPC community that they speak of DOES NOT EXIST!!! If they omitted the PPC part then they could at least argue that they are including the AmigaDE community as a whole, but that is not the case, they specifically support only the non-existant PPC AmigaDE community. I bet there's lots to talk about there!!!

So please forgive me for coming to the conclusion that something sinister is at play here.

  - Mike

[Glaucus]

No, that's not correct. Once Amiga Inc goes into bankruptsy, Hyperion/Eyetech will have to make a new seperate bid for the Amiga trademark to continue to hock the teron mobos as AmigaOne.

It is my understanding that Hyperion had it worked into their contract with Amiga Inc that the OS that they are developing will be called AmigaOS regardless of what happens to Amiga Inc. In otherwords, Amiga Inc could go out of business tomorrow, Hyperion's AmigaOS 4 will not need a new name. Not sure about the AmigaOne though.

  - Mike