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Re: Is there any need for up-to-date software for AOS 3.x?
« on: June 15, 2009, 10:31:36 PM »
I voted no.

Simple reason - we need LOTS OF apps for AmigaOS4, even MOS.

3.1 is discontinued.  Neither above is.
Was: Mac Mini PPC running MorphOS 2.4
Now: Amiga Forever 2010 with AmiKit and AmigaSYS
Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
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Re: Is there any need for up-to-date software for AOS 3.x?
« Reply #1 on: June 16, 2009, 02:41:02 PM »
@ ami_stuff && @wawrzon

Maybe "discontinued" word posted here is kindda abuse...

What I mean is there's NEW hardware for OS4, there's MOS, both under development.
If we talk "ports" or "emulation", why no AmiCygnix option in a poll??

There are three ways for new Amiga apps.  Native (AOS4/MOS/AROS), "ports" (i.e. running 3.x in 4.x, whatsoever) or Linux ports (AmiCygnix).  It is easy to port stuff, but if the poll question was about "a need for new apps", I can firmly say: we need new apps for new systems!  Why not porting backwards to 3.x then??  Why thinking of some limited API when you 've got the API (AOS4/MOS/AROS)??

So I say: first we need new great apps WORKING on new Amigas, then ported backwards.  Hey, that's an option, isn't it?

And BTW now I use AmigaSYS/AmiKIT so UAE limited to 3.x research :sad: I am in a serious debt, getting some funds, I can forget about new machines BUT wait until something shows up on my PPCMini :lol:

I plan to write a spreadsheet (native first!!), thought of Hollywood but since I'm forced to parse MS OLE files, I'll try what I eventually get on Mini and use e.g. AmiDevCPP or sth.  My spreadsheet on mac was halted by infamous Apple Numbers, now it is Amiga's turn for its spreadsheet.  And I mean it! :lol:
« Last Edit: June 16, 2009, 02:43:06 PM by DiskDoctor »
Was: Mac Mini PPC running MorphOS 2.4
Now: Amiga Forever 2010 with AmiKit and AmigaSYS
Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
Planned soon: an OS4 system
Shortly then: a MOS notebook (wifi is a must-have)
 

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Re: Is there any need for up-to-date software for AOS 3.x?
« Reply #2 on: June 16, 2009, 06:13:20 PM »
@ami_stuff, *

OK, that does it.

It's the second time in a month I see some "committed" Amiga coder is moaning that "numbers are counting, money isn't".

Before I say what I say I'll make short statement.  I love all Amiga stuff, try to donate everything I touch, consider this an honour.  And a duty.  But I also respect others' opinions (like freeware = freeware etc.)

My views about freeware in general...  It's a tough issue, especially when I'm writing this on Kubuntu...  To cut story short - it is the market, the users who decide what's cool and what ain't.  So when commercial app continues lifecycle, it means it's damn good, despite free competition existing (i.e. OOffice for Windows etc.)

But coding stuff and saying "I wish not only counters rolled" is a rare hypocrisy.  I mean as a statement of a person, I'm not connecting this into Amiga world.  Also, "donate or else..." threats make me say the conclusion:

Look: try to decide if you want to be freeware or not!  If not, make 99c price.  If not, abandon your work or go for some software house where people pay for coding.  But please, CHOOSE YOUR DAMN BUSINESS MODEL, WHETHER BUSINESS OR NOT FOR THE SAKE!!!

I write this because to my knowledge, most "flags of freedom" software projects end up in such an embarrassing manner.  Or just that kids graduate and start their work, adult life etc.

Sorry for my temper but all I want is to point out that:
- freeware is a hoax
- any amiga fan should donate hard if possible -- BUT ONLY AS LONG AS HE/SHE LOVES THE APP, not just "fine".
- coders should have annual plans with threshold; "10$ anually = I won't continue", but NO threatening, man!
- personally I think ALL Amiga apps should be proprietary

Fine.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2009, 06:16:11 PM by DiskDoctor »
Was: Mac Mini PPC running MorphOS 2.4
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Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
Planned soon: an OS4 system
Shortly then: a MOS notebook (wifi is a must-have)
 

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Re: Is there any need for up-to-date software for AOS 3.x?
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2009, 07:24:06 PM »
Quote from: AmigaMance;511643

 Why the quotes? Do you have reasons to believe otherwise and to be sarcastic towards him?


This kind of discussion as seen above or a few weeks earlier tell me committed people shouldn't moan.  They just simply assumed someone would donate every two-three months and they turned out to be WRONG.  So DON'T blame the users, blame yourself!!

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 And what's up with you? At least he is a porter, he contributes to the community. What are you?


I am nobody as you must know already.

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 This honors you indeed. No sarcasm included.


Good point.  I didn't see sarcasm in it, too.

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 Did he said something different? What other opinions?
The rest of your post is crap talking and it doesn't deserve to be quoted.


OK.  I just passed to PG Law studies so that my speech is gonna be even more crappy.  MOOORE!

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@Diego
 I respect you as much as i respect ami_stuff, since you both contribute to the community with your ports and all. But, you have to see started this fight. You REALLY shouldn't have said that:

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Public reward or acclaim is most certainly a fine thing!And it costs nothing.


indeed, if you are with lacks of ego


100% agree.  As I said in the very beginning, it's the SECOND time in a month on this VERY forum.

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 As a porter/coder yourself you should be able to understand his personality and his sensitivities better than me. And yet, you don't. Perhaps you just don't try enough, imho. I wish you both take a deep breath and stop this madness.

Amen!  No more. Or as I said - stop moaning or do it PM'ly / email / whatever.  If your assumptions fail, rethink and choose your distribution model.  I like coding too but it has to be in a fancy style, face it or you should grow up.  End of story three of you.  Please.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2009, 07:27:32 PM by DiskDoctor »
Was: Mac Mini PPC running MorphOS 2.4
Now: Amiga Forever 2010 with AmiKit and AmigaSYS
Not used: Icaros Desktop 1.2 (reason: no wifi)
Planned soon: an OS4 system
Shortly then: a MOS notebook (wifi is a must-have)