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Re: Common amiga knowledge that's wrong
« on: March 07, 2010, 07:23:27 AM »
Quote from: desiv;546509

I still maintain, it wasn't CDRoms or Doom that killed the Amiga, it was Commodore.

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I 100% agree. If you read the book "on the Edge", you will see that after Jack left, there was really no leadership at all at Commodore. All the top brass at Commodore were so busy milking every last cent out of it, the Amiga was kind of doomed from the start. If they were at all watching the market, and the engineer's had put out what they wanted to, the Amiga may have had a chance. Anyone at that time could see that CD-Roms were the future, and if Hombre had ever got out, there would be no debate over graphics (remember HP wanted to use Hombre in their High end workstations also). So, one can say that a collaboration with HP could have resulted in a totally different situation, mix it the fact that Epson wanted to market the Amiga in Japan, but Ali, messed it up TWICE (I believe it was EPSON) after it was suposibly a done deal, shows just how much Commodore's "Higher Ups" went out of their way to kill it.
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Re: Common amiga knowledge that's wrong
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2010, 04:24:15 PM »
Quote from: runequester;546552
yeah, Commodore did more to kill the amiga than Doom could ever have done

Even with the platform taking a step back as a gaming platform (and with the Playstation showing up, the seeds were laid for consoles to slowly but surely take over gaming from computers completely), there was still room for a cheap productivity computer, but that requires product to actually be sold by the company, which past 94 is largely gone.

I remember us paying 3 times as much for our first PC as my 1200, and it was a piece of shit.


You also have to take in the fact, that Commodore itself was itself, the ultimate Company, and ultimately it's own downfall. Let me explain.
Today, not one company has everything. A computer Company now, probably has a few design teams of engineers and then sends off the designs to a 3rd party to get the chips fabed, then sends those off to another company to get the motherboards fabricated and so on, Ultimately ending up at an Assembly plant somewhere in China, that slaps "Brand X" and "Brand Y" on it and so on. A few years back (2003, 2004), there was only 3 Laptop factories in the world, and all laptops came out of those plants. It was funny because you could get an HP laptop for x amount of dollars, and find the exact same laptop branded ECS for $100 Cheaper. HP then got wise and started custom designing the case, so ECS could not just re-brand them and sell them for cheaper.

Thanks to Jack's vision (and cheapness) Commodore had EVERYthing. It was the oly company (other than TI) to have it's own chip manufacturing facility, making the turnaround time for hardware developers, next to nothing. Commodore had the ONLY LCD manufacturing facility and Company in North America. If they would have actually made the Commodore LCD laptop- which was designed and had thousands of pre-orders, Commodore would have created and dominated the mobile market back before there even was a mobile market.Sure Tandy had the T-100 laptop out, but Commodore's Laptop was under $500 and had a built in modem and everything.
Commodore had some of the best engineer's in the world beging to work for them. The team of Bil Herd and Dave Haynie dominated every project Commodore had before the Amiga. Bil left and wanted to come back, but management said "No". If Bil had come back when he wanted to the C65 would have been done at least 1 or 2 years earlier and who knows what he would have done for the Amiga.
Commodore also had WORLDWIDE distribution and brand recognition. Not one company can really claim that today. Sure HP and Dell are maybe close to it, but HP and Dell do not have manufacturing plants across Europe.
It is truly, very hard to grasp the whole picture of Commodore, Remember that also, at the time of Commodore's peek, Commodore Canada was STILL making Office furniture, desks and file cabinets in 1986. It is hard too say, but they probably were still cranking out a few calculators at that time also. In Germany, Commodore was THE Company and the products to own. The closest thing today to the fever of CBM in Germany, is the way people HAVE to have an ipod. It was that kind of vibe there. There is a story in the book on the PET JET was over Germany carrying a few engineers, and it ran out of fuel and had to make an emergency landing in a small airport. The engineers had been welcomed by a marching band and the mayor and the whole town came out to welcome them, because they had thought Jack was on the plane. That is the kind of celeberty status that Commodore had. Once Jack left, Gould, sold off Commodore a bit at a time, ever pumping up the stock price, so they could milk every last cent out of Commodore. Instead of investing in the future of the company, Every CEO Gould brought in had only one agenda. To squeeze every last cent out of Commodore, until the well was dry. The Amiga was just one of the tools and consequently the corpse that was lelt behind in its wake. By 1994, the Amiga was the only thing left at Commodore. The 8bit age was a distant memory of days gone by.
If Jack would have stayed, the Amiga would never have been a Commodore product. Jack's own vision probably would have put Commodore under by 1994 also, because he would had an "off the shelf" version of a 68000 machine (exactly the same as he did at Atari). He MAY have put the resources into the Commodore PC line, but that is hard to say.
 Jack did not know the big secret in Business, hire and surround people smarter than you, and grow with their Ideas. That is why he left in the first place, it was either his way or the highway.
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Re: Common amiga knowledge that's wrong
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2010, 07:42:10 AM »
Quote from: B00tDisk;546777
Oh, hey, I've got one!

Common knowledge: Amiga OS was the first home computer OS that had preemptive multitasking.

Why its wrong: OS9 was available on the Tandy Color Computer, as well as the UK-produced Dragon, both of which premiered prior to the Amiga.
But OS9 was not really User friendly. It had no real GUI (other than Multi-vue, and that was a real "FUN" time to actually get to run). It took me almost a week to get it up and running, because you had to actually do some programing to get it to run, and the manual had a few misprints, so if you actually followed the manual, it would NOT run. Multi-Vue was a real joke to run too, it was just a real basic GUI. Tandy's deskmate3 was only fractional better. I have a full review here on my old CoCo website. OS-9 was not really for the average home user, where as the Amiga actually was easy for someone just starting in computing.

http://www.thecocolounge.com/editorial-october.htm
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Re: Common amiga knowledge that's wrong
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2010, 06:03:42 PM »
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None of which detracts from the fact that it came first.

Besides, most Amiga users were putting a trackloader game in DF0: and booting up, not playing with the OS :)


Oh, I am not arguing that point, but OS9 was not really meant for home users, the Amiga OS was defiantly a whole lot easier to use for a home user. The cool thing is that Microware is still around, OS9 is still supported and sold by Microware for a variety of platforms, and as for OS9 for the CoCo, its now NirtrOS 09.
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