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Re: Wither Natami?
« on: August 05, 2008, 11:20:04 AM »
I totally agree with Amigadaves last post.

It's ridiculous! You are a whole bunch of geniuses and all you all have to do is turning your efforts at a common goal.  Can’t you come together under the flag of the greater good and create the best OS and machine the world have ever seen? With transparent UAE support of curse.
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2008, 11:29:49 AM »
I love Amithlon too, but that will not be sufficient for slaying the dragons Windows and MacOS. A new OS, a new more powerful sword is needed, for the cutting edge hardware of today.
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2008, 11:59:44 AM »
How would you do it Bloodline? What would it take? :-)
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2008, 12:11:01 PM »
I believe nothing is to late. The Soviet crumbled down, so did the Roman empire. " My eagles, give me back my eagles."
Its never to late for anything.
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2008, 12:28:25 PM »
Isn't this the time then? with windows shutting down and AROS available on pc that is surprisingly almost A1200 like, as you showed in the fpga forward thread.
Is this the time to develop AROS into a better Midori?
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #5 on: August 05, 2008, 12:53:43 PM »
A bit hard to tell, but if you take one step back to google, with its office, calender and mail capabilities. That puts AROS in a new light for a normal user.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to use AROS as the primary PC OS then the browser comes along. And so will probably some of the 3.8 million former Amiga users just in Europe.

AROS is just a nicer place to be in then Windows.
And i'm going to buy NATAMI.
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #6 on: August 05, 2008, 03:44:19 PM »
Why bother slaying the dragons? They're not bothering us? They don't even know that our little play-ground exists. Wouldn't it be more fun to play in our own playground with our own toys instead?

Let the rest of the world put up with the dragons.

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Perhaps your right, but that doesn't necessarily need to stop you from creating great toys in joint efforts with soft and hardware, and why? just to see if it can be done.
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #7 on: August 05, 2008, 04:29:55 PM »
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Why bother slaying the dragons? They're not bothering us? They don't even know that our little play-ground exists. Wouldn't it be more fun to play in our own playground with our own toys instead?

Let the rest of the world put up with the dragons.

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Perhaps your right, but that doesn't necessarily need to stop you from creating great toys in joint efforts with soft and hardware, and why? just to see if it can be done.


Absolutely. I enjoy creating toys and improving old ones. That's part of the fun.

Hans


So, whats the logical step to develop after NATAMI?
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #8 on: August 05, 2008, 05:28:10 PM »
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Well the current "road map" the NatAmi developers have is they are planning to release the Developer NatAmi version, which is SuperAGA chipset + 060 clocked at 90MHz, then they want to work towards a "consumer" version which would include the SuperAGA chipset (plus any enhancements brought about via developer testing) with a new 68K core clocked at 200MHz+ with added features in one FPGA. I think that they are also open to the dea of open sourcing the SuperAGA but that is way down the line.

But if you mean a newer more featured AMiga compatible clone computer then I personally can only think of them trying to add more features to the SuperAGA (enhnaced 3D core etc) and maybe evovling the platform with Aros as they can only really go so far with OS3.9+ enhancements.



I did never get the 060 to the A1200 back in the old days, so I will buy the NATAMI to balance that out.

My hopes for the NEXT GEN is that they go for the most advanced yet affordable technology and with WB AROS as OS. Doing it in the spirit of Amiga, e.g to be the most advanced with the smartest solutions and test the boundaries of whats possible.
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2008, 11:00:40 AM »
Hi all
I followed this and I was thinking. That if one changed the definition of where it must go to be modern? The string theory was canned and then rediscovered and is now hotter than ever. Bear with me for a second despite my low knowledge in this field. You can say that AROS is not VISTA, true.
AROS is not a Ferrari it is a salt lake sound barrier braking OS then run on a fast PC. It’s so fast it’s ludicrous. There was a guy yesterday that wanted to use AROS for some car application that will put  peoples life in the hands of an AMIGA OS. Samurai crow wrote over at the Amiga world, then talking about parallel hardware that MP was not necessary.  Is there another way to do it? Could it be a strength to not have a similar MP like all the dragons? Just a little comment, I may be completely wrong.
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2008, 11:23:28 AM »
You have a sharp sword Bloodline. It looks grim the way you present the situation.  But, can you see a way to adapt AROS to take advantage of multi core processors??
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2008, 12:26:21 PM »
Thats brilliant news. There could be a NEXT GEN. The possibility is there. Thats great! :-)
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2008, 12:49:12 PM »
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Thats brilliant news. There could be a NEXT GEN. The possibility is there. Thats great! :-)


Yes, but an OS based on AmigaOS is never going to be as good at using modern hardware as a modern OS design.

I'm not really sure why there is this real need for a "Next Gen" anymore. I think that time has passed. We now need ot focus on what AmigaOS does well.


O.k O.k O.k, But when you say that there is a possibility for a multi core version, thats a Quantum leap in my book.
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2008, 01:18:55 PM »
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Thats brilliant news. There could be a NEXT GEN. The possibility is there. Thats great!


Yes, but an OS based on AmigaOS is never going to be as good at using modern hardware as a modern OS design.

I'm not really sure why there is this real need for a "Next Gen" anymore. I think that time has passed. We now need ot focus on what AmigaOS does well.


O.k O.k O.k, But when you say that there is a possibility for a multi core version, thats a Quantum leap in my book.


Far more of a leap in my mind, was the move of AROS from 32bit to 64bit... that required a significant amount of work and bugs are still showing up. AmigaOS was never meant to run on a 64bit system.

But even if AROS can use multiple cores... it simply cannot use multiple cores as efficently as well... any orther OS :-)


"any other OS..." I like that. You are pretty hard on AROS and if I understand you are deeply involved in it so that makes you pretty hard on you self.

There will probably be a way around it. Perhaps something shows up with the singularity project as you said, that could be used in some smart way, the AMIGA way. As an enthusiast that my hope. :-)
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Re: Wither Natami?
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2008, 01:42:12 PM »
@amigadave

Absolutely ;-)  Who could have imagined fantastic things like MINIMIG and NATAMI then they closed production of the original models. Its a miracle. And AROS is also a miracle IMHO.
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