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Offline wawrzon

Re: Very hard to understand
« on: March 08, 2015, 11:03:37 AM »
Quote from: apsturk;785986
I have a question. I just bought a AmigaX1000 and love it. I have been having great fun learning and playing with AmigaOS. It's quite different and I like it very much. With all the good news coming from A-Eon, like OctaMED, ImageFX, Aladdin4D, Personal Paint and the like. I find it more that a bit troubling that I cant send and only sometimes receive emails  (Simplemail). Is there a reason that there is not even one email client for amigaOS? Please don't tell me about YAM or Simple mail. YAM is pop only and I have not had a pop account in over 13 years. Simple mail? in beta for how many years??. I am sorry and disappointed to say it's pure garbage in it's current state. Even it's form, if it worked ok is not great for a program intended to be used for emailing more than once a day. I can't find one program to just send and receive email? Wow. I am hopeful that when the new developer kit for 4.1FE comes out and A-Eons GDB debugger some good things will happen. In the mean time it seems prudent to have the following first.

Web browser:  (Odyssey 1.23r3 is ok but needs lots of work and some updates)
Email clients:   None
A good native NGAmiga word processor:     not a rehash from 68k.  libereoffice will be cool for sure but we have what? half baked garbage as of now.
contact database: is there one    
calendar:   is there one?

After the basic stuff is covered then I would be more interested in things like Aladdin4d. Please dont miss read this. I have bought every program in amistore but a game or two. I have also donated over $300 usd in total for different projects and will spend over $1000 more during 2015. I will also spend money on just about everything on amistore that comes out. I am a big supporter of A-Eon and have over $5000 in my X1000 project and will also buy a X5000 when it comes out.

Lets get a modern full blown top shelf email client and go from there.

PS this is a problem for Morph and AROS as well. Does anyone want to make money out there? my checkbook is ready to pay you!!

well, i mostly used yam on my amigas, and it was okay few years ago, admited, they were genuine amigas, not os4 systems, but im pretty sure there isnt anything better in sight for os4 as well.

now, if you didnt have any experience with amiga offshots like os4 before and you have expected it to be a fully supported system, then you probably should have informed yourself in advance. this situation is like it is and is not easy to change whether someone is ready to drop in few thousand dollars or not. as you correctly said, this is similar with aros, which though is free to use on generic hardware, and probably to lesser extent with morphos.

imho if you still want to spend your money i would be rather cautious to what i donate and would choose cross-platform initiatives, but this is your choice of course. just dont expect, that unlimited progress will break loose any soon.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2015, 01:14:11 PM »
@ apsturk

i dont have an impression that simplemail is very actively maintained, i guess the author just releases annual bug fixes. you might have better luck with yam if you have a feature request.
what concerns stability, as you probably know the re-implamantation of mui4 features from morphos is rather recent, and mostly due to odyssey port demands, so it may be relatively unstable, at least this is what has been reported from amiga users in comparison to the genuine 3.8 version. i have not tested it myself, but if you experience reproducible bugs it would certainly be worth to report them.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #2 on: March 10, 2015, 12:33:05 AM »
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To hell with political correctness...there's nothing wrong with blonde hair & blue eyes.

hell, no, which i both have. but there is a lot of wrong which have been done in the name of it..
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2015, 02:12:42 AM »
Quote from: Matt_H;786162
@ Lionheart

Thing is, though, the email client situation is exactly the same on MorphOS and AROS...


since you bring aros and morphos into the subject, yes you are right yam is certainly missing imap support on all these platforms. if this is the purpose of this thread and everything else is fine, then as i said it can perhaps be solved contacting the developers rather than complaining about it on forums. but if its also about open (libre) office and such, then note, that the public is neither on aros nor on morphos  being constantly served with this kind of hollow announcements.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2015, 10:27:13 AM »
Quote from: apsturk;786169
O yes I know what you mean for sure. One of the reasons I jumped in was that A-Eon has delivered on everything that said they would do.


aeon has been delivering on hardware atleast in one case so far, namely they delivered x1k. though they delivered it with a lot at least questionable or misleading tags, like the price that went up through the roof while it has been advertised, xorro ("you will tell use what to do with it"), multicore support, 3d and other goodies that should have been included in os4.2, now likely never to come, they even put some printing on board resembling the genuine machines and tried to make it look a bit like it could be called "amiga x1000" which the customers willingly did, of course. so if i was aeon customer today i would certainly feel not to be delivered what was promised, whether it is their fault or not.

other than that i cant see what much has been delivered. libre office, warp3d, the simple chip audio decoder they like to advertise as a "sound card", all that in a queue since ever with quartal announcements about everything almost ready and other announcements to be made in half a year. so far they bought up some genuine software, to fill up the app?-store a bit, but hard to guess what to do with it, except some changes to make it run under os4 and cosmetics hardly making it better.

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Life is a big chance and I am betting on them and some others. If I am wrong so be it.


well. i wish you luck but considering my years long observation i doubt you bet on a right thing. but lets see in a year, in the meantime what do you intend to achieve with this thread if you are content? its hard to expect, there is a bunch of unemployed but very gifted developers reding this fora, who just did not realized yet, what they could do for you, especially if you paid them some xk$ for, lets say an imap mail client.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2015, 01:45:48 AM »
Quote from: Tripitaka;786220
I thought you didn't consider AROS machines to be Amigas.

nothing wrong with calling things by name. aros is not amiga. its aros. it may though be used on an amiga and its worth support.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #6 on: March 13, 2015, 02:39:59 PM »
as was predictable this thread became an argument between fractions once more, but i think everybody had their say already and the positions are clear not just since today. though there is still the original poster buried below this all and i am still puzzled as to what it was he wanted to propose.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2015, 04:17:33 PM »
Then He must have been gone crazy of anger by now, and this not even as result of anticonception but His own designs of the reproduction mechanism.