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Offline wawrzon

Re: Natami started and stopped again
« on: April 16, 2014, 09:33:36 AM »
Quote from: ElPolloDiabl;762645
The Natami project started and stopped again.

Link:
http://www.natami.net/knowledge.php

Sounds like he has given up for good this time. Please don't say anything nasty yet just in case he is testing us.

There is also AROS68k news there.


but this is a completely different project that just happens to have been discussed on natami forum, right? i just guess as i dont visit there and i wonder why anyone still would. also no wonder someone has abandoned a barely started project, that happens all the time. only projects that have a slight chance are open community efforts.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Natami started and stopped again
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2014, 04:16:36 PM »
well, right..

the comunity should concentrate on first things.
 
instead of superaga a proper aga reimplementation in fpga and beyond that cgx/p96 compatible graphics like it apparently is taking shape on fpga arcade.

in parallel development of accelerating solutions, be it fpga or emulation on faster cpus as cards for existing systems (might be easier for the time being except for bus interface) or standalone.

softwarewise a reimplemented open source system like aros68k plus individual libraries reimplemented and improved in asm as it is happening already.

proceeding like that there is some actual progress..
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Natami started and stopped again
« Reply #2 on: July 04, 2014, 04:58:22 PM »
Quote from: biggun;768170
Tell me does AMIGA still have a future?
What do you think?

Does selling 100 or 500 devices give a future?

Or would it make sense to aim for something like high end AMIGA for $99?
Such a system could be sold ten thousands of times.
Would ten thousand new AMIGAs give the platform more future?

Why are developers working on FPGA stuff like this?
Are they in for making a quick dollar on this?
Or do they want to revive the platform,
Do they believe with selling 500 pieces they can revive the AMIGA?

Or would opening their sources to allow production of 10,000 units be better?

If people would free their sources would this be better for the AMIGA?
Would the people do this or would they ask for something like bountie to do this?

Lets say you have something like a AGA++ chipset and a 200 MIPS 68K CPU.
Would these FPGA source alone make the AMIGA revive -
or would you need a strong company which is able to pump in real money
to push the devices on every XMAS tree?


simply set up a poll, outlining the project and count the potential customers against the active users here, this way you might get an average interest coefficient to multiply by the overall population of amiga scene. ;)
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Natami started and stopped again
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2014, 05:31:34 PM »
Quote from: LiveForIt;768338
I create my own software, if I need some thing. That my hobby.


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Yes but can you name any 68k software that is worth using today?


sounds as if you need to program just everything you are using yourself. what are these incredible programs that surpass all 68k applications in quality, may i ask?

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Not tried it, but often when you compare old programs to new programs, there big difference in details, filters and effects, water effects in Autodesk Maya for example, looks real. While we do not have Maya on AmigaOS4. We do have Blender and it can produce decent quality images.


since you apparently dont need amiga backwards compatibility, and claim only to write own programs or use linux ports you really might be better off with any brand of linux where your software is genuinely coming from and where it isnt limited by shortcomings of os of your choice.

well. i guess you know that yourself very well. this means there is no more reasons to use your os as to use amigas or their fpga clones, its a question of sentiment and subjective definitions, so each and every argument you used against amiga and its software may be used against the os of your choice as well.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Natami started and stopped again
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2014, 09:57:29 PM »
Quote from: LiveForIt;768362
Comment 42, X1000 sales will be some how damaged by NatAMI sales.

I disagree with this, X1000 users like my self, I'm interested in a modern computer with modern software, we X1000 users are more interested in the OS experience.

i cant tell, but but perhaps it is the best if this is actually the case and amiga and os4 fans are two completely different separate groups of people. im fine with that.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Natami started and stopped again
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2014, 11:35:44 PM »
Quote from: amigadave;768526
, but unfortunately, there are a few users in the MorphOS community that have behaved in a way that has "turned off" some of the Classic Amiga users


what i frankly am not sure about is when on an amiga site amiga is considered equal to c64 and its users as subject to being "converted"..
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Natami started and stopped again
« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2014, 09:52:07 AM »
Quote from: Thomas Richter;768539
If you want to get my two cents: It's probably not more worth than the two cents I just gave you... The reason is quite simple: There is no reasonably modern and reasonably large software library, and there is no reasonable hardware either. Most certainly, you can say the same for Os 4.0, which is basically the reason why I do not care much about either. Sorry for that, but that's simply as it is. For anything modern, I have Linux. For anything old, I have the 68K. But I have no use of an Operating system for exotic hardware and no software basis.
agreed. paying for these products is an act of support and should be clearly seen as such, and therefore im perfectly fine with my amigas and what they are capable of, but i will always need an contemporary computing solution and since no amigalike system offers me that, they do not count as an option.

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Linux. Yes, really. You pay nothing, you get updates forever, it runs on modern hardware, and has a huge software library, does everything I want.
aros, if you want an amiga inspired system, but nicolas of course knows that;) on the other hand i must admit aros is not a complete solution, like linux, its more like work in progress and a playground for programmers, but this very much applies to every amiga like system.

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To be frank, it would also cost me nothing, but that's because our university has a Dreamspark contract with M$. But anyways - it's not the Os of my choice, Win8 even less so. It's consistently unusable.
this is not a valid argument, windows is not free for general public. but i must beg to differ about 8.x usability. i used to think like that prior to purchase, but it is as good as xp or better. its a little inconsistant concept i agree, but who cares..

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Somebody has to earn some money for all the time spend developing it. For both "PPC branches". That's all appreciated and understood. However, that still does not make me understand the business model behind it. It is basically a model from 30 years ago: Create a custom hardware ("home computer") with its own software and user basis, and hope that it creates enough attraction. Basically, you sold a hardware and hope that the users care for the software. However, this type of business died a long time ago. Hardware does not count anymore. Today, you provide a software for free, or no software at all, and provide a service around it, or around a web-service, and charge for that. Hardware is unimportant. HTML is important, browsers are important.
again im not a fan of microsoft, but the surface i am typing now from has saved my bottom at the beginning of the year when i was going to italy for three months of scolarship. it is a tablet but with features of a full blown notebook, it has wacom preasure sensitive pen to draw freely, it has reasonable connectivity and didnt cost more than a mid range notebook. i think it is an example that hardware counts even today. probably even the life cycle is similar as in the last millenium, just you cannot develop it in cellar anymore.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Natami started and stopped again
« Reply #7 on: July 09, 2014, 02:21:20 PM »
Quote from: alphadec;768571
That is incredible news I am willing to wait to see what he can come up with.

When comes to price I is willing to pay as much as a playstation 4 or good tv for fpga (natami like board). so in the price range 1000-2000 USD.


but im not sure he is really about to be marketing this. i think the natami case should be treated as closed for good.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Natami started and stopped again
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2014, 03:36:33 PM »
Quote from: alphadec;768576
hope he makes it a consumer product.


ok, but "hoping" is exactly what i would avoid. it leads to expectations that may not be in accordance with what the project is intended to be. thats what likely happened to natami, and why the project has been removed from the spotlight again. if thomas did it, he did it for a reason, he obviously doesnt want the people to put their hopes in him and his project and prefers to be left in peace.
 

Offline wawrzon

Re: Natami started and stopped again
« Reply #9 on: July 09, 2014, 05:59:38 PM »
i think thomas has just explained which are his personal interests in amiga and which are not. i think his standpoint is very reasonable and does not depreciate personal sentiments or choices, it explains why he does not develop for os4 anymore while he supports the amiga user community within limits.