Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents?

[MarkTime]

I will weigh in with my two cents.

Over time I have heard the 'amiga name vs. amiga community argument' and I am unpursuaded.  Only Amiga, Inc. can produce an 'Amiga'.
Words have meaning. But still, I have heard the argument enough that I will consider Pegasos, so perhaps all the purposeful misuse of the english language had its impact.

But the fact remains, having looked at what I can of both, that morphos is still not finalized, OS 4 is not finalized, what appears of both of them, is that OS 4 will be the better product.

MorphOS, and this is the point I want to stress the most, is not AmigaOS compatible, because it missed the MOST IMPORTANT part of being AmigaOS compatible, and that is compatible with AmigaOS PowerPC applications.

Sure the old 68k stuff has some importance, but after PowerPC is standard on all newly bought Amigas...or pegasos boards if you must include them....then the 68k stuff will be old news very fast.

Don't get me wrong, you can't skip the step of being 68k code compatible and call yourself an Amiga, but then you must also be Amiga OS PowerPC compatible too!

You must make the effort to do that!  If you don't do that, then I personally will never buy a pegasos, because its too much money to gamble on the very unlikely event that the genesi community will hold more interest to me than the amiga community.

I have checked out the genesi websites, well just the one that I know about, and can easily find...morph-os-news.de....and it is not much of a community with only news occasionally.  It is much more interesting to check out news/discussion/happenings in the amiga community.

Lets face it, at amiga.org and ann.lu you can get all the happenings of the amiga community, including this splinter group genesi, but on the only genesi website I know of...you only get a small microcosm of the amiga community, a community already too small, and now much smaller, BLAH

and not to mention, where are the genesi newsgroups, genesi print magazines....

as small as the amiga community has become, the genesi community is only worse....now if someday they do the remarkable, and are truly the more interesting  community to be in, then I may switch, why not.

I will give them credit, when credit is due, but now all they have done is release a board that is nearly exactly the same as the AmigaOne board, and an OS, that at best is about as good as OS 4....

please, you are going to have to be better and better for a while....you are the underdog, you have to be BETTER....right now you have done an technically amazing thing, which is come close to being as good as Amiga, inc....which is amazing considering they had all the advantages, but......its just not good enough.

[MarkTime]

As there are no native AmigaOS 4 applications for now yes indeed it's hard to be compatible with them. In fact the "AmigaOS 4" we see in the screenshots isn't compatible with these applications too (which is in fact an AmigaOS 3.x with some components planned for AmigaOS 4)

Amiga, Inc....with all the usual disclaimers about this confusing company....shipped OS 3.9.

It supports PowerPC expansion boards, but I think most people consider the first Amiga PowerPC OS, to be OS 4.0.

I don't think it does the MOS camp much good to deride beta software as being buggy,  problematic, with uncertain release dates.  All these things may be true, but MOS is also still in beta.

It is a solid argument, to only consider shipping software, but if we must do that, then only Amiga, Inc. has a shipping os, that OS being 3.9.

I don't think any of us want to do that, however, as we want to compare PowerPC os's and that by necessity means being forward looking and examining beta software that is not in general release.

I don't really care that the beta testing circle is slightly larger in one camp than the other, the fact is I cannot buy either one...and so, I will have to compare these softwares, both of which are unavailable to me currently.

And as I look at things, MorphOS, which has yet to be released, and therefore is over a year behind in being even OS 3.9 compatible, is not looking like its going to be OS 4.0 compatible anytime soon, maybe in MorphOS 2.0???

Its an important question, though I don't doubt there is inherent difficulty in being compatible with an OS that hasn't been released....nevertheless, THAT IS YOUR PROBLEM.

My problem as a consumer, is buying hardware and software that isn't going to be incompatible and leave me out in the cold when I want to run my favorite Amiga OS PowerPC applications.

Maybe someday I will say I want to run my MorphOS applications, but not today, and I'm not convinced by only the tiniest smattering of developers that MorphOS is the way for me....tales of tamar?? who cares....maybe its a good game, but I hardly care, there will be good games for Amiga OS 4 too.

You'll have to do so much better than that....I am glad you are working on it, and if you succeed, again, I will be there with you....but its no time to celebrate, thats for sure.

If I have to predict, you will fail.  The various amiga companies have certainly failed themselves enough times, but all of the would be usurpers have done, by and large, even worse.

[MarkTime]

I have no problems with people who want to use MOS, but stop trying to convince the rest of us that it is the next Amiga.... It simply is NOT. I don't care how "Amiga-Ish" it is, or how much in "spirit" it is.

I remember met@box, and their campaigns on comp.sys.amiga.misc to win the mindshare of the amiga community.  It was tough going, Gateway was a big serious company and while they never understood the community, people gave them the benefit of the doubt.  And met@box was entirely vapor.

Still metabox had Dave Haynie, amiga celebrity, and Dr. Kitel both doing a fairly good job of explaining their position.  In the end I think they did not grab the majority of mindshare.  Not that it mattered, they never shipped anything and the mindshare issue never came into play.

I supported the company that in one form survived, Amiga, Inc.....and not the one that failed, but looking back on it, I don't think the right company survived.  I hardly am amazed at my own cleverness, in hindsight.

But, even still....Amiga, Inc. is moving along, if only at long last.  Probably in large part, thanks to pegasos competition....DE is proving to be a viable commercial product, they allowed 3.9 to be released, and finally, the hardware part, is about to ship of the ng amiga.

So they don't suck completely, but I am much more inclined to listen to this upstart than I ever would listen to an upstart before.

And I think we should be thankful that Amiga, Inc. did not work with the pegasos group.  Had that partnership developed, I just know that all parties involved would be sitting on their hands waiting for 'perfection' before doing anything.

Its so gutsy for morphos to be released in november.  I'm sure its crap, but the significance of
it being released, I think is important.  Amiga and Genesi in genuine competition ?  I don't know if Amiga plays their cards right, they can blow away MOS like Windows to OS/2...and MOS doesn't even have the luxury of claiming to be technically superior....

but if they don't, I am glad that MOS will be there to fill the void, and you know what, its entirely possible, that a term encompassing Amiga and Amiga compatibles can be coined....oh joy, you know what, I'm going to start thinking of that right now....