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Next Steps - More EXPERTISE needed...
« on: July 06, 2007, 02:10:14 PM »
Really the main thing now is to get WinUAE to quit trying to boot from every disk I point it to.  I've not heard anyone mention this that's given me help, but if I mount a disk with system on it, it boots from there.  The problem in point is the SimStation Workbench disk, which has a problem.  On SimStation, it recycles through to boot constantly and never comes up.  "Fortunately" on WinUAE it boots to a CLI, but returns "invalid resident library" if I issue "loadwb."  OTOH, commands work and I was able to back it up to an HDF file by command line.  

Now, I need to be able to troubleshoot it, then copy it to a new IDE drive to return to SimStation.  For that purpose, I need to be able to mount it and boot to the WinUAE system, not the thing itself.  

I've had lots of help with this so far and have made lots of progress.  I appreciate the input and patience of you guys who've held up the flag for these many, lonely years.  I promise pictures and details on this marvelous 75 lb. relic once I've gotten her back in fightin' trim.

Kind regards to all,
Dave
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Re: Next Steps - More EXPERTISE needed...
« Reply #1 on: July 06, 2007, 02:57:01 PM »
Sounds good.  Let me go step by step to see if we are on the same page:

1. I start WinUAE Launcher.
2. I go to WinUAE Config and mount the disk(s) am working with.
3. I press "start" on the mount drives requestor and it boots from the wrong one.  
I assume this is the point I hold down both mouse buttons to choose?  

I don't have the machine in front of me (I am back at work) so I cannot test at the moment.  However, it appears there would be a conflict between pressing the left mouse button on "Start," then pressing both buttons.  

Thanks for your help!

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Dave
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Re: Next Steps - More EXPERTISE needed...
« Reply #2 on: July 06, 2007, 03:59:55 PM »
Alright, maybe I'll have time to give it a shot when I get home this evening.

I cannot make it non-bootable from HDToolbox if I cannot get there (wb won't load).

Anyway, I'll report on the results.  Thanks again for the help...it is greatly appreciated.  I'm on a quest to save history!

Dave
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Re: Next Steps - More EXPERTISE needed...
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2007, 10:08:42 PM »
If you mean the boot priority column, I changed it to 1, then to 6 and it still booted from that drive.

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Re: Next Steps - More EXPERTISE needed...
« Reply #4 on: July 06, 2007, 11:50:11 PM »
0 on all drives listed, N/A on those I mount.

I tried the holding both mouse keys down.  It still booted to the mounted disk.   :madashell:
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Re: Next Steps - More EXPERTISE needed...
« Reply #5 on: July 06, 2007, 11:55:05 PM »
I note that if I change the boot priority in the "Properties" dialog of the WinUAE config, it does not change from "n/a" in the window.  

Something isn't right here.

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Re: Next Steps - More EXPERTISE needed...
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2007, 12:02:16 AM »
OK, I got it.  Sheesh.  Why did not somebody tell me the boot priorities were reverse of (at least my own) intuition??  I change the WinUAE Work to "1" and got the drive mounted without it booting.

I've forgotten almost everything...

Dave
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Re: Next Steps - More EXPERTISE needed...
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2007, 12:08:34 AM »
Now, I need to troubleshoot the SimStation boot issue in WinUAE.

It quit booting after I attempted to copy a directory from it to a SCSI disk I'd formated.  Whole thing went black and out as soon as I dropped it and it would not reboot.  

I get HD activity, then the power flicker, then nothing.

When I boot this drive to WinUAE, I DO get a CLI that works (thank goodness) but "loadwb" returns "invalid resident library."  

The OS is 3.0, but I am not quite sure which version.  It is a late model 4000.

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Library dates are July, 1996.
68040.library

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Re: Next Steps - More EXPERTISE needed...
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2007, 01:07:05 AM »
quenthal:  I reall don't know.  I am using 3.X on WinUAE, whatever that is.

rkauer:  I'll check it out.  I'll likely need some help.  There are lots of specialized files on Workbench (SimStation) that have to remain untouched.

Thanks to all...

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Re: Next Steps - More EXPERTISE needed...
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2007, 02:17:42 PM »
Wish I'd followed it before it was removed.  I don't do piracy and I have a perfectly legal A4000.  

I've no problem with paying for things...there's precious little support left in the Amiga world anyway and no point in snuffing it out.

So...where do I get what I need?  I am assuming there is Workbench 3.something in WinUAE, but not sure what.  Also, since it won't boot to WB, I cannot verify exactly what version is in the A4000...though July, 1996 should be a pretty good clue.

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Re: Next Steps - More EXPERTISE needed...
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2007, 11:46:52 PM »
OK, no responses today.  Let's review...

My issue now is that SimStation will not boot.

If I boot WinUAE from the HDF file I made from SimStation it DOES boot to a CLI, but if I isse "loadwb" I get "invalid resident library."

So, Amiga gurus, what does that suggest?

Dave
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Re: Next Steps - More EXPERTISE needed...
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2007, 02:25:25 PM »
Ok folks, we seem to be getting somewhere.  Will someone tell me PRECISELY what to change and where in the boot sequence to run the snooper?

I wish to proceed cautiously and attempt to fix only the items that have issues rather than a complete replacement.  SimStation has LOTS of very specialized libs and such that might be very difficult to identify and preserve.


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Re: Next Steps - More EXPERTISE needed...
« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2007, 05:34:13 PM »
Yes, I am replying to myself to bump this up higher, shamelessly...

Perhaps I should explain my last request in more detail:

1. Do I include the snoopster in my startup-sequence?
2. If so, with any switches?  Syntax for same?
3. Where do I look for the result after the bootup?

Dave
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Re: Next Steps - More EXPERTISE needed...
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2007, 05:12:22 PM »
Well, no reponses.  I worked at home the past two days on a very large software simulation so I was able to monitor things.  However, I am back "at the mill" for the next 7 days and so will likely restart where I left off then.  

I still need some input on how best to use SnoopDOS to locate the offending library.

Regards,
Dave
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