For sale : new ready built 040/060 adapter two stages version

[pyrre]

040/060 adapter for Amiga Classic

Brand New, factory soldering

Tested on the A3640, works fine

For A3640, WarpEngine, CyberStorm MK2, GVP 2040cards...


- With an 68LC060, the adapter will work fine with Kick 3.0 & 3.1

- With a true 68060 Mmu & Fpu, the adapter will need a Kickstart with the special exec.library 45.20b


For working, you must install the 68060.library v46.7 from Phase5 in Sys:Libs/ or the MMU package from Thor (on Aminet)



50 euros including shipping WW Priority no tracking in friend/gift Paypal mode

or + 6 euros if you want registred/tracking

What is the purpose of this adapter?

[pyrre]

Installing a 68060 on the 040 only card !

Like the 3640, GVP 2040, GVP TRex 3040 & 4040...

hmmm.... interesting.
would that work with a fusion forty?

[pyrre]

Ain't it time to stop throwing thrash at each other?

I serially thought the Amiga community was just that, a community where people with similar interests could share knowledge and experience with other hobbyists...
This being said. If someone are sitting on copyrights and want royalties for them, ain't it their problem in collecting them?

As a hobbyist myself i think it is just fair to take payment for the work i do. And if i do work in someone else territory, it is their choice to collect on any claims regarding copyrights or not.

As far as the amiga goes. Ain't it time to realize it is quite DEAD in development. Dead in the matter of, there are no big companies developing the main platform any further.
Commodore is bust, Escom is bust and there are no one else to take control of the future direction. And there are no advancements in the cpu systems for the platform.
The only progress made in the last 15 years are made of hobbyist dedicating their spare time to develop expansions to an aging old hardware platform.

It really saddens me reading all this hostility from the members of a community i really enjoyed and loved some years back...

As for this adapter of Cosmos goes. If i understand correctly it will boost the performance of a system made for the 040. Ok it wont be as fast as a full blown 060 system. But who cares, for real who cares? the system was not designed that way in the start.....
If it makes a good system faster, ain't it worth it?

And as far as taxes goes...
If i understand correctly, Cosmos is from France.
And like most European countries you are actually allowed to have a hobby, and you are allowed to make money of it. At least up to a certain point.
In my country, Norway you are allowed to make up to NOK 4000,- on a hobby before you are obliged to pay tax of it. That is the equivalent of 500 EUR or nearly 600 USD. (however, if you are a collector. You can make an unlimited amount of money on a sale without paying tax)

[pyrre]

GWT..... and somebody has to say.

Seems like you have taken it personally to do so..
Why?

To be honest i could not care less about copyrights on a product of any kind that has long since lived its life.
Who are still alive to claim the copyrights?
If you are talking about the 060.library, who owns the original license?

Today, 50EUR for a piece of hardware of any kind is considered pocket change. You barely cover the cost of production.

And why do you take it so personal about someone elses copyright claim about the darn library? What is in it for you? really?

[pyrre]

@ Cosmos

You don't happen to have an A2000(rev. 6.2 or newer) motherboard for sale?
Or know of anyone?
I want to put my fusion to use, and it wont work in the rev 4.0 MB

[pyrre]

The 040-060 adapter by Mozart is quite a nice little upgrade if you can find an 060 at a reasonable price.

Thor does bring up an important point that Cosmos is selling someone else's design which happens to be open-sourced.  For the price that Cosmos is charging it's more or less just his labor to assemble the board which is a reasonable, not-scalping price.  The PCBs and components are easily $25 USD.  So if Cosmos is charging 25-30EUR for his labor to assemble the device, I can't really see that is profiteering or scalping.  
The adapter usually takes someone at least an hour to assemble if you have some skill at soldering.

That was my point. the pricing of the adapter ain't that much of a deal.

The exec.library patch that Cosmos hands out was developed by Speedgeek and Speedgeek specifically gifted this code to Cosmos to use as he sees fit.  Cosmos was originally just handing out the .pch file for users to apply to their own exec.library.  

The patched exec.library can be burnt to a custom kickstart if someone knows how to do that.  Assuming the user is not duplicating their kickstart and just fixing a bug or oversight in exec.library I don't see a problem with that.  The patched exec.library can also be dropped in Deneb ROM space or possibly in an eflash or a kickflash.

I have no clue of this. But IMHO if anyone makes a patch to an existing library and instead chose to deliver prepatched files. what is really the difference, i cant see the reason for the complaints on this matter....

There are certain situations where someone might own an 060-capable board that currently has an 040 and be able to run that board *faster* and more stably than it was set to true 060 mode.  For example if you had an 060 capable board that when it was clocked at 66MHz it became unstable with an 060 in 060 mode, if you used that same board as an 040 board-with the 060 adapter at 33MHz, the board would still clock the memory at 33MHz and may end up being stable running the 060 at 66MHz where it might not be stable in 060 mode running at 66MHz.   Same for an 060 at 80MHz, run the board at 40MHz, memory and onboard logic running at 40MHz, but the 060 runs at 80MHz.

A better detailed point i was trying to make. It would still be e good upgrade from a stock 040 system.

Id love to test this on my fusion. But i have no A2000 motherboard that can run the fusion. only got two rev 4.0 boards....

[pyrre]

That's the problem. *You* probably know that, and you probably know the  limitations. But you cannot assume that the average user does.        

Anyone that has been in the Amiga scene for little more than a while knows there are differences between the 040 and the 060 design.
Well aware of the differences i cant see your point. I cant see why you insist on flaming Cosmos. What has he done you wrong.
There are some more hobbyists in the general computer scenes that builds adapters based on some others design end sell it. Someone even with a profit.

Because here a product is sold, with certain drawbacks that are not  clearly announced to the average user. This is not your "make your 040  board a 060 board adapter", as claimed. If I would just buy this  product, and install it as advertized, I would get just a crash. Plus,  even when installed with a proper processor (i.e. without an FPU), it  will not perform as good as a native 68060/50Mhz design. Instead, its  creator tries to cheat away with some "chip ram bandwidth" numbers that  are complete bogus for the purpose of the evaluation of the board.

Do you call that "good business practise"?

If you sell a product, you'd better call your customers what it does and what it does not.

If you don't understand how or what the "device" is about, you can always ask questions about it.
And in the case you complain about memory drawbacks... Hello.... The board you are attaching a 060 onto was not made for the darn 060.
You hack it onto another design. of course there will be drawbacks.
But i can live with those drawbacks if the hack gains performance...
That is what the whole adapter is all about, if I'm not mistaken.....

Business practice, what is your point. as i see it, cosmos has made no attempt of hiding any information... You came in flaming him long before i even got to ask any followup questions...

I do not care about my 68060.library here, really. That's provided under  the license terms it came with, free of charge, for everyone. Download  it from Aminet, be happy. That's all use within the license, so that'll  be fine. *That* is not my problem.        

Then why is there such a problem with the exec.library?
Cosmos ain't the only one making patches for it. AFAIK...
Regardless of content, a search on aminet posts no less than 6 exec.library patches....
If someone took his time to apply all the patches to the lib and put the patched binary back on aminet. would that be a violation?
What are your complains about, for real....?

@Thomas

Geez man, give it a rest.

Every bit of information of the 040/060 adapter is out in the open, and i dont agree with your claim that Cosmos is hiding information to his buyers. Go attac IComp regarding hiding information instead if this is your life mission.

About Cosmos making a profit of others work. I really dont see this argument either. The 040/060 adapter is opensource and everybody is free to make one. If i want to pay a friend for making it for me i really dont see the fuzz. I paid a dude money for making an IDE cable for me once. Is he stealing/profiting of the original IDE cable designers also? 50 EUR for his adapter is a very reasonable price thinking about the time i would spend making it myself. You would probably disagree, but if the adapter dont work, i would think Cosmos would provide good support, and if it is a fault in the build i think he would fix it without hesitation. So basicly this adapter comes with a guarantee.

Regarding the exec.lib patch. Here i can see your point, but who in their right mind cares? As Pyrre said, i really dont see the differece between a patch file, or a patched binary of the exec either.

And last. Cosmos.. Illuminati? Really?

Cheers!

yea i agree....
I have no doubts about Cosmos service, at all...
but, can we please get back on topic...?
just, please...

[pyrre]

I'm going to refrain myself from commenting any further on this matter.
It is clearly that Mr. Richter has a personal grudge against Cosmos. And i don't want to be part of another flamewar resulting in yet another active and productive member of an already fragile community leaving. We have lost to many already because of SILLY arguments like these going out of hands.

Have a nice evening my fellow amigans, and have a nice summer.