Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Author Topic: I think OS4 CAN be run on MAC MINI (USABLE)  (Read 48573 times)

Description:

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Amiga_Nut

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2007
  • Posts: 926
    • Show all replies
Re: I think OS4 CAN be run on MAC MINI (USABLE)
« on: June 10, 2010, 04:47:16 PM »
Quote from: Crumb;563893
@skurk

Radeon initialization may be slightly different. Anyway, the problem with Moana is not the gfx card, it's just everything else! nobody is going to write drivers for it so IMHO it's just an interesting preview of what could have been


Sad but true.

And Hyperion not doing OS4 for MacMini shows they don't deserve any claim to Amiga IP either. As clueless as Amiga Inc.

It's a no brainer.....MacMini is dirt cheap and plentiful still today. And if OS4 was released for MacMini PPC the prices would rocket and every broken/stained/dead MacMini in the world would be on ebay within 24 hours of the OS launch date being announced LOL
 

Offline Amiga_Nut

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2007
  • Posts: 926
    • Show all replies
Re: I think OS4 CAN be run on MAC MINI (USABLE)
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2010, 09:45:36 PM »
The problem is Hyperion's attitude is wrong, slow 5 year old CPU tech in 700 quid motherboards is not what any of us here want either.

There is a perfectly acceptable 3.2Ghz triple core PPC motherboard with 512mb of RAM and ATI x1900 GPU sold every minute worldwide for £125 retail. It's called the Xbox 360 motherboard. There is no reason why Hyperion can't set out a standard motherboard powered by said Xenon triple core PPC processor and something like an ATI x1750 GPU and 512mb of shared RAM for a low price. Farm out the production to China. Bingo.

Amiga needs a single specification, a kick-ass specification with astonishing value for money too. If they insist on PPC CPU for OS4 then your answer is right there. Sure it won't be £125 but it will be superior to X1000 and cost a lot less, possibly cheap enough to warrant casual purchase territory.

No point making an OS for hardware that is either too slow/obsolete or overpriced and new that only 7 people will want to buy. Ends in bankruptcy that kind of business model.
 

Offline Amiga_Nut

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2007
  • Posts: 926
    • Show all replies
Re: I think OS4 CAN be run on MAC MINI (USABLE)
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2010, 02:21:54 AM »
Quote from: ferrellsl;564188


As for new, inexpensive and powerful hardware for future Amiga OSs including MorphOS, I've always thought that x86 is the future, like it or not.  ARM isn't an option in my opinion.  It's just another obscure, underpowered dead-end.  I like AROS and think it's the future of Amiga-like OSs.  The x1000 will die a slow death if it ever reaches market.  And the guys from MorphOS like to keep things shrouded in mystery but hint that ARM is likely to be the next CPU running MOS.  I hope not.

x86-64 is an option as far as availability goes yes I agree, but not from a value for money point of view. You can't build an i7 or i9 rig cheaper than other companies. Have you checked the prices of i7 CPUs? The CPU alone costs more than an entire PS3 Bluray player let alone a 360 Arcade console. A company who is intelligent will find alternatives and save themselves the effort of transferring OS code between little endian and big endian CPUs, not a trivial task at all. IBM's Xenon PPC 3 core CPU is the modern day 68000 of the modern age to Intel's 286.

If AEON missed a trick by not copying an extremely cheap and powerful solution four times cheaper mhz per mhz using existing and readily available Xenon PPC 3 core CPU inside Xbox 360 that's their fault and nobody elses. That thing is as powerful as a high to mid range Intel i7 monster rig of equal performance. And it is PPC so Hyperion can carry on coding PPC too.

It's not that expensive to design a motherboard around  ATI 1900/3.2Ghz GPU/512mb DDR3 700mhz memory is it? Certainly better than pissing in the wind building the esoteric  overpriced x1000 that will be dead in 12 months....which probably cost more to develop.



Quote from: ltix;564188

Now we are talking. There is no solution for PPC which could fill all three requirements. x86 could be an option but removes backwards compatibility. ARM is only another obscure custom hardware from user POV.

I am not worried if Amiga and/or MorphOS dies. We all die some day.


Erm I beg to differ, a 3.2Ghz Triple core PowerPC Xenon CPU that goes into the $200 Xbox 360 motherboard is the perfect processor for Amiga OS4 hardware if they refuse to migrate to x86 and stick to a PPC core.

And your comment about not being worried if Amiga died....an allied soldier fighting in WW2 may not be worried about dying but it was his duty to destroy the axis of evil BEFORE he died ;)

Quote from: Stevo;564201

Well, you should have. I mean, who in their sane minds would fork out that money expecting something that could compete with whatever you seek, decent software wise. You seem to blame the platform for not getting you the sw you need, while afaik noone never promised or guaranteed you such thing.


Hmm...Microsoft Windows....Microsoft Internet Explorer.....Microsoft Office....do you see a pattern here? ;)

He is quite right to be annoyed that in the space of 36 months the persons receiving three times the cost of a Windows XP licence have done nothing to address a basic requirement...a decent modern browser. Bit ridiculous in 2010. Commodore should have been working on a browser in 1994!


Why the hell is it that any company with a key role to play in the world of Amiga IP/ownership is utterly utterly clueless and stupid and we would be better off if they just didn't bother?

If an engineer from the x1000 team wants to come and explain why they didn't take apart an xbox360 motherboard to create a basic Xenon/X1900/DDR3 BUS similar design would be very enlightening. Other companies do it all the time, buy a market leading price/performance product and reverse engineer it on a basic level to improve their own products price/performance level.

(not saying you need to reverse engineer a compatible 360 motherboard, just use the same 3 basic components of Xenon/ATI/DDR3 memory)
 

Offline Amiga_Nut

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Join Date: Jan 2007
  • Posts: 926
    • Show all replies
Re: I think OS4 CAN be run on MAC MINI (USABLE)
« Reply #3 on: June 16, 2010, 06:27:43 PM »
Quote from: koshman;564244
Wait, you're kidding, right? 90% people on this forum are technoids and you think they don't know what's powering their phones? And not just iPhone, my good old Mpx200 is also ARM based. Other than that - my NDS, PPC Loox, N800. I would still prefer a move to x86, but you can't deny ARM is used in virtually everything and is therefore far from obscurity.


3DO and Gameboy Advance as well as the cutting edge 80s desktop machine the Acorn Archimedes. Now where's my cake :)

Seriously, ARM is not any better than the kind of things on SAM440. It's a waste of time converting OS4 to ARM which is no small task. The Xbox 360 CPU Xenon (triple core PPC @ 3.2ghz) is a better option to tweak OS4 to run on, and that is a seriously powerful CPU butting heads with the i7 even today as a geometry setup engine.

Quote from: Karlos;564285
Really? My Core 2 Quad Q9450, with 12MB of cache and running at 2.66GHz was about 200 quid when it was brand spanking new. I'd say it has proven itself to be pretty damn good value for money.


I think you misunderstood me, what I mean is if you are making a cheap AND powerful machine from CPUs currently available there isn't a single CPU that comes close to the Xbox 360's Xenon CPU that's all. If you want i7 performance using x86 you need to buy the same components as every other PC manufacturer. You can build like for like x86-64 machines as Dell or HP etc but you will never undercut them. But as OS4 is already a PPC OS then why ignore the Xenon CPU and spend years porting big endian/little endian OS/CPU?

All pie in the sky though, someone has to build a motherboard for an IBM Xenon and put some DDR3 memory and an ATI x1900 class GPU.... ;)