real amiga vs winuae

[amigaksi]

Oh here and there.

Am uploading them as and when I find an opening to use them

I taught a few kindergarten kids to upload silly pictures recently.

[amigaksi]

Notice the fatal error in the middle shot? That's right, an unhandled line F exception, which if you knew anything at all about 680x0 you'd recognise as an unimplemented instruction exception.

Directly compatible, my erse. You want to use an 040 or 060? You need the library, unless rebooting your machine is your favourite hobby.

Your experiment is a failure because you aren't testing for compatibility.

As far as being compatible, here another link for you proving I'm not alone in this world running code on 680x0 originally written for 68000:

http://www.digchip.com/datasheets/parts/datasheet/522/68040.php

[amigaksi]

Karlos has covered this better then I. Getting an 040 system to boot without that lib is a pain and leaves the system fatally undermined.
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Okay, so you didn't have to serve as the sidekick.  I can read his writing as well.  I believe they are both English although you have problems with some words like biased and objectivity.

>Not unbootable, but far from your picture of no issues.

Go read what I actually said before you reply.

>Yes, and how many of them are have more then a laundry list of capabilities? It does not in any way cover specifics. Moreover - you demanded that Karlos look at the Motorola manuals, he has, have you?

It's easier to search online then read through the manuals again.  But definitely I remember reading object code compatibility.

>Given your "proof" for everything else you've said thus far, this should be a blast.

I will only state one and see if you are emotional sane enough to acknowledge it.  The very first point about joysticks you said my data was "utter rubbish".  If that's not a biased look at the data, then I can't even argue with you anymore.

>PROTIP: You saying it repeatedly does not make it so.

Nope, I will go one at a time with your biased views.  Let's see how you treat the first one.

>Because those points have been shot down so thoroughly that it isn't funny any more. >That you choose not to acknowledge that is proof of your fanaticism.

I stated CLEARLY all of my software boots up fine without the library.  What's the fanaticism?  I also quoted links.

Keep your insults to yourself.  As soon as somene replies (right or wrong) you think my views are thoroughly shot down.  Get a brain for yourself and stop being a sidekick.  You can easily get mislead with blind leading the blind.

[amigaksi]

How so? He was booting his system without the library and it crashed due to software/hardware incompatibilities. What part exactly do you fail to understand about it?

While I agree with you that using a real Amiga is superior to using an emulator so far when it comes to old hardware dependent applications, I understand that it's a personal opinion, not a fact, and arguing that the 68040 is backwards compatible with the 68000 or 68020 is just silly, because it just isn't (from looking at the instruction set differences) and practically, in many cases it doesn't work.

Thankfully there are people who patch games and create libraries to make up for the incompatibilities, and claiming that their work is for nothing is quite disrespectful in my opinion.

Telling us that your setup boots fine doesn't really prove anything else but that; your system boots fine. Anecdotal evidence based on your particular setup doesn't hold water when it comes to proving your point.

I already agreed there are minor differences like you can find between 80486 and 8088 running 8088 code on 80486.  So if his OS that he runs was meant for a 68020 or higher system, his experiment is a failure.  You have to test for 68000 compatibility using 68000-pure code.  And a lame excuse like SR/CCR won't be enough to declare 68020 incompatible with 68000.

[amigaksi]

no it is not bias if there is a logical reason it is not valid. the thing is you were given instructions on how to redo the test to make the data valid. you ignored that and are still assuming that you are the only one that is right. that to me IS bias.

And I have logical reasons why you can have data that requires millisecond response which is SUPERIOR to billions of experiments.

You are biased.  You can't see the logic for example in someone pressing a fire button that's a millisecond apart from him turning the joystick.  It can happen.  That's all you have to acknowledge.  People who can't do that after many times stating the reasons and not even refuting the logic are biased.

[amigaksi]

I wouldn't call your data rubbish. I'm from the southern United States, the closest I can call it is, "crap" and not violate the site rules. You ran a task on the machine that polled the port while a game was running. This guarantees the timing is completely inaccurate. But who knows right? You weren't even clear about whether this data came from sampling an atari or an amiga. Who cares though, you have less than 1ms state changes in your data. That's physically impossible from a biomechanic perspective. You measure signal bounce from the superior joy port hanging off a Denise chip who's input pins tie directly to mechanical switches.

You are baised as well then.  You are one of those sick people who play pathological games on people by distorting their REP points by assuming YOU KNOW BETTER than them although you may be in more ignorance than the person you pass judgement on.  I don't give a crap about your REP bullcrap.

[amigaksi]

@the leander

OMG I laughed for a good 5 minutes before I could type this.

WHA wha WHA wha WHA wha! LOL!

She is like a child who plays name-calling and just saying "No."

[amigaksi]

Clearly you didn't, because otherwise you would have stopped embarrassing yourself.

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Straw-man arguments, I don't need to reply to.  You can't follow the logic, that's your problem.

Sticks and stones can break my bones, words don't hurt.  Get a clue and speak something logical.  Take your straw-man bullcrap and keep it for yourself.

[amigaksi]

This has been demonstrated to be false.
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Wrong.

>And again, we have someone here who has shown that what you claim is not so. We have the manuals that explain in ball aching detail as to why you are wrong and multiple users of this side giving verifiable facts as to where those incompatabilities lay. And you've ignored it all.

No, you have ignored it all.  I also showed manuals and I also ran code that works.  You are biased AGAIN for siding with one claim without proof.

>It is utter rubbish for the reasons already explained to you.

If that's your reason, then stop replying.  Since it's already explained to me and you don't have the brains to refute the clear cut logic, then stop replying and proving my claim that you are biased.

[amigaksi]

What are you talking about? Rep points dont exist anymore. Keep up will ya. :laughing:

Sorry, I was away for a few days; perhaps, I should stay away -- nothing rational only Hammer took it logically and showed how PC may be able to sample joystick at 1Khz.

[amigaksi]

hahah! :laughing: You've sunk to all new lows. This is what you come up with when you can't admit that you sample signal bounce. Truly pathetic. You only got one -1 from me, I'd guess you got a lot from others. You deserved them all.

You should answer the question I posted to you in the other thread regarding this bounce before just blaming someone.  You can't take part of the data and claim it's all noise.  It works PERFECTLY in getting you to bridge 2 in River-raid.  

I wasn't blaming you for my rep points but drew the conclusion from your own postings.  Once again you speculated something just like with your biased analysis of the joystick data.

[amigaksi]

Tags:
amiga , bullcrap , circle jerking , cloud cuckoo land , complete bollocks , denial , emulation , fantasy , flamefest , real , sit on the joystick , troll , winuae

:lol:

To put it into context, anyone thinking or stating that winuae or any other amiga emulator is a real amiga is talking all bullcrap, circle jerking, in cloud cuckoo land, complete bollocks, in reality denial (in fantasy land), enjoys flamefest, trolling, and/or does not understand emulation.  He's better off sitting on a joystick to try to wake himself up.

[amigaksi]

Well, there's a *market* for a fast gaming mouse. I don't see a business case for a fast digital joystick.

Hey, I agree that was the main reason they never used digital joystick to begin with-- it's was cheaper and easier to just put a gameport analog type joystick via a plug-in card since it was a business type machine.  It's the people in fantasy land and in denial of reality who think that PC still surpassed Amiga in that catagory through osmosis.

[amigaksi]

I was mistaken in my previous response to this comment. I thought I had left amagiski a -1. Turns out I didn't. I had only dropped on negative, and took a screen capture of it when I did.



It's sad to see a useful site feature dropped because of a few cry babies who blame everyone else for their problems.

I never even looked at the REP points or how they worked until you had a discussion with someone asking for his REP points back.  I don't give a fig whether you made it go negative or not, but it's a sick game to play on people.  I am more interested in the truth and your votes don't affect it.

[amigaksi]

And thus, amigaksi's powers of observation are proven beyond any reasonable doubt.

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All you do is blurt out whatever comes up in your head without any coherent relationship to the arguments being presented.  Your argument is just as good as the following argument against you:

And thus, leander is proven to be a monkey who randomly logged into Amiga.org by randomly pressing the correct keystrokes.

[amigaksi]

@all Maybe everyone should just take a chill pill and drop the argument. It's not as if anyone is going to be swayed to either side so let's enjoy the new site and discuss things that mutually interest us without letting them get personal or acrimonious? :confused:

Guys you do know that there is an ignore feature on the site don't you? Just activate that if you don't like a particular users posts. End of problem.

Yeah, but it seems like some people have the ignore feature built-into their heads-- they read posts and say the samething as if they read nothing.