Author Topic: AmiZilla (Read 8394 times)

lempkee · « **on:** February 19, 2004, 06:14:29 PM »

i had hoped it contained some news but it doesnt, 1 year has passed now and they got some money indeed (from me also) but why aint there atleast a small preview picture out?, i have the feeling that this is an endless battle like many other things around atm...

cheers

lempkee · « **Reply #1 on:** February 19, 2004, 07:15:24 PM »

mikeymike:screenshots is important atm , because of the last news discreetFX gave us.

they plan on simplefying it or it might happen.

it might be based upon AWEB! or voyager ..

also i know 2 of the guys who made progress in the first months and they LEFT the project , so i am just questioning if its ONLY TALK or if there is actually someone working on it.

i dont support them if they will use AWEB engine (and add functions as plugs) , voyager is something every amiga user should ignore as they are MORPHOS only and will stay that way it seems as the coder have no 68k system to produce anything on.

so i would say, LIFE IS ABOUT SCREENSHOTS! and real ones would be nice and not some lame mockups...

the bubble bursted a few months after the project was started when people belived they would have an AGA / 68k version out in beta form just after a few months , thats when i started to call it FICTION!..

amizilla is a HUGE project and at this rate its bound to take another 10 months of hardwork before we will even see a screenshot of it working imho!.

i say all this as want amizilla managment to jump in and tell us whats going on! and if we should stop waiting for it...

lempkee · « **Reply #2 on:** February 19, 2004, 11:26:09 PM »

warface:ah yeah ok , weird that since i happen to know the guys behind voyager and there is no 68k update comming anytime soon.

and i know what morphos is , no need to give me any lectures.

also this wasnt about voyager beeing morphos only, this was about the browsers they choosed for amizilla development,
or wanted to anyway, and we all should know by now that its been publicly announced that 1. the author doesnt have an AMIGA anymore, he has an pegasos only. 2. there is no plans for an 68k update atm.

sure i could make up some stories just to get everyone happy but it wont happen aslong as there is no proof of amizilla still in the works ..

i for one would love to see amizilla, its the next best thing after os4! , we really need it but people who claim its alive and kicking should really show up with some news/info.

lempkee · « **Reply #3 on:** February 19, 2004, 11:28:35 PM »

mikeymike:thats not trolling, thats facts which was posted in the last AMIZILLA thread by the people behind voyager.

anyway i will stop here now as i am bound to upset someone, but just put it like this, i am SICK and tired of people just guiding people into illusions and fantasy.

--- if its trolling, sorry but weird part is that this was discussed 3 months or so ago and i wasnt called a troll back then, and neither the morphos guys who posted the same.

lempkee · « **Reply #4 on:** February 20, 2004, 07:34:22 AM »

hi pyromania (bill):

as i have said on all the mailing lists me and you are on and so on , i am fully uptodate with all the news you and the team give us, thats never been a problem..

but there have'nt been any news really, not some ground breaking ones (like its working, or module XXX ported and works etc), competetion is healthy is a word we hear alot theese days in the community.

Does it use the Voyager engine then? , glad i got it confirmed that its not AWEB atleast.

we had a big discussion about this some months ago on several dev forums and i made it totally clear that a project of this magnitude needs infact some attention from the crowd to make it even more special, i still have thoose 2000 USD on an savings account which i promised , as soon as i see a sign of life (better be a good one) thats when 2000 more gets transferred over.

anyway as i have told before ,i do know why its so secret and all but most secret projects have a tendency to die,
anyway just give us a sign of life , this text as you said is nearly identical to which we got in the dev forums some time ago :-( . (except for the AWEB thing)
+ the latter was announced as news in all major news sites, and imho its great that such a thing has happened (who doubled the sum of money)

thanx for clearing up 1 of my many questions but i guess the rest of the community still stomps in a corner.

i can only wish you guys the best of luck but some proof of life is vital in such big (AND BORING) port projects , i have a very talented friend who tried to port it on his own for several years and he even failed , now he works for mac with several office soulutions... :-( ..

cheers

ps:sorry for trolling (some here think it is trolliing atleast)

lempkee · « **Reply #5 on:** February 20, 2004, 11:38:17 AM »

warface:jesus allmighty , you dont give up right?..

I belived u knew 1. That morphos has AN voyager update! Compared to the 68k which people still register theese days, (i am one of thoose who regged voyager AFTER it was abandoned for AMIGAOS).

I never said he was an amiga hater, thats your description.

I said he has no plans now for an update to make 68k version the same as morphos version.

he has no plans for making it OS4 compliant either , though this can change.

just remeber 1 thing , the plans for AMIZILLA is 68k!!!!!!!!!!! thats REASON number 1 and thats the sole reason why i think people should wake up and face it, this is just a phase and there will be more and more and more delays on amizilla IF (and i say IF) its gonna be based/built on Voyager.

also i never paid or regged OS4 for 68k , and it was made CLEAR from day 1 that it was going to be PPC only , and later it was added that BLIZZARD PPC would be supported also.

There never was planned an PRE-RELEASE os4 for CLASSIC amiga (with POWERUP cards) so ihave no reason to expect one either.

that said i have no reason to demolish everyones illusion of AMIZILLA and i am a big supporter of it but i hate beeing smacked in the face with just "TALK TALK TALK" even after 1 year and most of all there is more money iin this project than nearly any other project around in the amiga scene theese days (i am a games developer so i know) .

put it like this, if i see PROOF OF LIFE then i will be pretty fast to put even more cash into the pot and i will support them as far as possible, but as i said earlier (some posts ago) its a HUGE project and it does require alot more than almost any other sw on the amiga atm (except for mos and os4 ofcourse).

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lempkee · « **Reply #6 on:** February 20, 2004, 11:54:00 AM »

mikemike:its pretty hard to not use"tit and tat" when it comes to something like this , there has been no official news about it, there has been discussions on dev boards i am part of (and belive i blew up there also) , i just want it confirmed if its the voyager engine they will use as a backbone or aweb , i got a confirmed answer by bill in this thread that its not going to be AWEB so now i wait for a confirmed one if it will be voyager!.

So its trolling when the author steps out and says he has no 68k anymore and have no plans for making the 68k port the same state as the morphos version?

from the sound of things i am obviously a gigantic troll just because
1. i hate that news is posted via dev boards (closed community)
2. that nothing is OFFICIAL ,
3. that people go and buy software that they think is still in development!

point number 3. here is pretty crucial, as its a web browser and automatically people expect it will be continued , especially since there is NO information on the website about it beeing stopped on 68k and so on.

AMIGA and MORPHOS and AROS and UAE and Amithlon NEEDS a browser thats CAPABLE enough to attract users, the stuff that ticks my brain here is basically the one and only thing "will it go as planned (everything ported)" or will it be BASED upon an excisting Amiga browser.

anyway i will let bill answer this and i wont mention voyager from now on, but i will mention AMIZILLA.

lempkee · « **Reply #7 on:** February 20, 2004, 12:16:57 PM »

pyromania:

thanx alot for the information, i now got a good answer and now i am happy again, anyway hope to see some news soon.

and what will happen next?...

anyway i hope to see some groundbreaking news soon.

cheers

lempkee · « **Reply #8 on:** February 20, 2004, 03:10:43 PM »

mikeymike and thatpunkguy:

well to both really did u forget to read what i wrote? ,
in the dev forums they talked about using PLUGS for the excisting voyager/aweb engines/frontend etc.

not just the gui , everything as in just building them up with more features based as plugs!

but this is not a discussion anymore as BILL told us whats going on and that was the part i wondered about.

i dont bash ibrowse nor voyager, i bash them who forget to tell on their website that they have stopped support/updates for the plattform.

i am most likely to enjoy voyager again if there ever will be a chance for me to run it in an UPDATED form, but until then i will use ibrowse and maybe amizilla if that ever comes.

even morphos users use ibrowse instead of the updated morhos version, i dont know why but i guess its unstable like it is on the last 68k version that came.

anyway the discussion is over for my concern since we got the answers.

but i am sure there will be 200 posts more here before its dead.. (just because i was so silly to say what i did about voyager)

lempkee · « **Reply #9 on:** February 20, 2004, 03:20:08 PM »

warface:

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Now, as you don't need any lectures, you probably know that there is MorphOS for classic Amiga machines, currently in a pretty mature betatest version, as any betatester will testify to you.

now what has this got to do with !!!!!!!!!68k!!!!!!!!!!!

AMIZILLA has RULES! , which u ofcouse forgot to read.

yes amizilla starts on 68k and must be USEABLE on low end 68k systems.

please o please tell me where morphos classic fits in here? , oh and btw i have morphos installed here on my bppc so PLEASE tell me! ..

weird people on this board sometimes, normally people should READ the first posts before answering some with some weird response! , for all i know maybe the reason for this is the new amiga.org design , i dunno but its started recently all of this #OOPS#e!

lempkee · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2004, 12:22:51 AM »

warface@:

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now what has this got to do with !!!!!!!!!68k!!!!!!!!!!!

Will you please read what you've wrote, and my reactions. Neither your argument that there will be no 68K version (even you added ATM to indicate that only at the present it seems so) as a reason to urge Amiga users to ignore Voyager, nor your second argument, namely that there will be no Voyager on Amiga (as there is MorphOS for Classic Amiga computers) is correct. Yet, you refuse to apologise.

what the #^#&??? , where did this come from then?
i added ATM for VOYAGER and NOT Mozilla/amizilla , amizilla has CLEAR rules here.

and as i said before why drag this ludicrus discussion out? when its been solved by bill allready?

and as i allready pointed out, there is nothing wrong with regging Voyager Mos , do as you want but dont expect to see an 68k version of it.

MORPHOS is PPC , and for classic that means you need a POWER PC CARD , ie BPPC or CSPPC. (which i currently RUN)

so please tell me where i am supposed to appologize , everything you said so far has nothing to do with the stuff i was talking about , i was only pointing out (BEFORE WE GOT AN OFFICIAL ANSWER FROM BILL(discreetFX) THAT NEITHER VOYAGER OR AWEB will be used for amizilla frontend/plug base.

read that and i am sure you wont bother to reply again.

lempkee · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2004, 11:56:01 AM »

mikeymike:it wasnt irrelevant when the question was asked, HOW many times must i tell you???

i wont bother to write all again, i will just suggest that you READ my posts and especially them where it says "aweb / voyager" ...

lempkee · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2004, 01:57:13 PM »

jesus mikeymike..

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READ THIS:

Re: AmiZilla

mikeymike:screenshots is important atm , because of the last news discreetFX gave us.

they plan on simplefying it or it might happen.

it might be based upon AWEB! or voyager ..

also i know 2 of the guys who made progress in the first months and they LEFT the project , so i am just questioning if its ONLY TALK or if there is actually someone working on it.

i dont know how many times i need to say it but i hope this is the last time.

In the DEV Forum it was stated + NEWS posted here on amiga.org even (some time ago) , THAT AWEB / VOYAGER engine (with all content) MIGHT be used as the BASE to speed up the Amizilla project , since it stagnated due to beeing one very big project.

Also, How could they have used VOYAGER when the coder/developers of this web browser has no 68k anymore?
They stopped working on it and has no hardware to make it on (for optimizing etc).

**edit = and for your information , morphos is PPC only.

Amizilla rule NUMBER 1 is that it HAS to be 68k , later they can port to other solutions like ppc , but first it has to be approved for 68k and should be useable.

Also AS I HAVE STATED SEVERAL TIMES ALLREADY, BILL allready cleared this up by stating that NEITHER AWEb or Voyager will be used for porting mozilla/firebird.

lempkee · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2004, 06:08:38 PM »

mikeymike:and i say as i have always said, u might want to start reading all of the text and by that i mean from post 1 of mine till now in this amizilla thread.

i never changed my goals , i got answer to 2 of the the questions while this thread where on going , and thats a good enough reason for me to stop asking the same questions all over again and again.

capital letters makes it easier to read for blind people + i got rather upset while you and warface started to slag only 1 simple comment in all the text that was written.

(it may have been not too well put but i surely have proof of it beeing valid, but then again its not an issue since its been cleared up by the fact that they aint going to use an old amiga webbrowser as a core)

if it all was read from start then it would have made sense to you all, or it should have anyway.

and as far as morphos 68k excists, it might do in the form of morphos pre 0.4 which infact needs os3.x, but that doesnt mean that the coder of a certain browser updates his work for it now does it?.

and most of all, this thread was "never" about morphos , this thread was about Amizilla.

i got my answers quite early in this thread (after 2 posts from DiscreetFX) and i didnt expect this outburst from anyone really so basically all that happens from his last post till now is a repetation of what was said allready.
(from me anyway).

from the start of i wanted a proof of life , a screenshot.

from the start of i wanted to know for sure if the old thread info was taken in use "to use an old web browser as core"

so please tell me, when did i change my goals?

anyway about that brickwall comment , maybe you need to be one to understand one? :-)