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Offline Waccoon

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Rayt:  As long as kmos and hyperion dont go bust I dont give a ****...

As long as someone releases something, I don't give a ****.  At least MorphOS is on schedule and rockin'.

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Mr U No Hoo:  No, that's a ... ermm, part of a burning barn!

How long have you had that avatar, and how many complaints have you gotten so far?  :-)

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BigBenAussie:  However, the Amiga One will eventually be released as THE AMIGA even though its done by Eyetech

What's in a name?  That doesn't change the fact that Amiga has been dead for over a decade and the rest of the industry has moved on and made huge improvements to their OS models.  I'm still fuming over the fact that OS4 won't support a real security model, in the form of accounts.  No real OS should be without that.

I see no point in cloning an obsolete design.  MacOS X really showed us something new: make UNIX look-n-feel like a Mac.  I haven't used MacOS X personally (though I have seen it in action and have seen how slow it is), but it seems like an interesting starting point for a new OS.

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Jose:  What about the people that hates them both?

Well put.  I'm not terribly interested in a true Amiga.  I'm looking for a new OS that's a serious alternative to Windows and Amiga-ish.  I've tried 9 different Linux distros so far, and they all drove me nuts.  Be is dead, QNX is too raw, AROS isn't terribly stable, Macs are too damned expensive (among other problems)...

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Cecilia:  The amiga will never again just be ONE kind of box and one OS.

A completely obsolete idea, the closed computer.  My brother-in-law works as a programmer for Nokia, and apparently, EVERYTHING in the universe will be programmed in Java in a couple years.  Apparently, nobody uses C++ in that company, anymore.

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KennyR:  Not unless they can get cheaper hardware. Preferably cheaper hardware that works properly.

They decided to use proprietary hardware despite their "Amiga Anywhere" initiative.  They decided to build their own hardware despite the fact they know nothing about manufacturing.  They settled on a wimpy, little-known PowerPC chipset when powerful, robust, competitive, and well-tested x86 chipsets were staring them in the face.

Then again, they also decided to sell the hardware years before the OS is ready...

Funny how the A1200 connector in the AmigaOne sounded like such a stupid idea when Amithlon came along, but people still think proprietary hardware bearing the Amiga name will trump any sort of hardware independence.  I've been hoping for a truly architecture independent system ever since I used AMOS.  The future is in run-time systems.  I don't like Java, but it's a good example of which direction things are headed.

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IonDeluxe:  Here is a thought, now that KMOS now has rights to the OS, do they have the power to develop or have developed, or allow development of Amithlon II?

Who is KMOS?  Who's the president?  Where's their website?  Who cares?  It's just the same old story of trading hands and no product releases.
 

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Re: Be friends! Please!... Amiga and Genesi! I love you both!, but...
« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2004, 11:00:27 PM »
Why is it every time I post it goes on a new page?  :-)
 

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Re: Be friends! Please!... Amiga and Genesi! I love you both!, but...
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2004, 07:41:07 PM »
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full backwards compatibility with 68k on x86 is impossible, as the AROS team will tell you.

PowerPC isn't binary compatible with 68K.  I used some of the first PowerPC Macs in existence which used 68K emulation, and they were absolutely the slowest computers on the planet.  If you have to emulate 68K code, what difference does the new CPU make?  Besides, Amiga programmers were brutal to the hardware, so you kind of have to sandbox everything, anyway.

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Don't tell me magical x86 chipsets doesn't suffer from bugs - even mass produced, widely used ones. For instance my PC *still* BSODs every six hours or so due to its buggy VIA VT chipset. And the better chipsets are jealously guarded and developer support is non-existent. Even on linux support is poor and patchy.

I thought all Linux systems were like that.  Kinda makes you wonder how the other hundred-or-so embedded x86 OSes in the world stay in business.  Besides, no serious engineer uses VIA -- except Eyetech and Genesi, of course.

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The Amigalike OS's and AmigaOS itself are for Amiga lovers only. People may like their speed at first sight, but once they've been crashed and lost work a few times or been told that "there's no software to do that" a few times, suddenly they get a lot less keen.

Precisely my feelings on AROS.