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Re: Hey - MISSIAH and OSS
« on: May 26, 2010, 04:15:42 PM »
Quote from: Vegas;559926
That might be the 8580 Sid replacing the 6581 (not sure about the numbers). I never heard the 6581 in original, but as far as i know there is not much of a difference. I red that 8580 has less noise while some people say the filters of the 6581 sound better and also it sounds more dirty.


There is a big difference when using with MSSIAH.  (And when playing back SIDs!  When they're composed specifically for one or the other.)  

The Bassline, Monosynth, and Drum portions of MSSIAH are said to be designed for use with the 8580.

I have used MSSIAH on both versions of SID and can say that the authors are right when they state in the manual that there is a big difference in sound, when an instrument or module is designed for one specific chip.  The filters on the 8580 let some sound through that the filters on the 6581 would just totally cut off, IIRC.

It really depends what you're after... the original 6581 is more what we remember from video games, and the 8580 has greater refinement for sound synthesis.

I have started messing around with the MSSIAH's Sequencer and can say that it really is truly exceptional, and that people just using MSSIAH as a soundbank are missing out.  If you want to use MSSIAH with Octamed, definitely just take MIDI Out from Octamed to the MIDI In (there's only one!) on the MSSIAH.  Have Octamed send MIDI Clock, and then turn MIDI Clock *on* in MSSIAH sequencer.  Then whenever you "start" Octamed, MSSIAH should start along with it, and play back in sync.  You can loop any portion of your MSSIAH sequence, edit it as it's playing back, and mute/unmute tracks, all live.  This would be a great setup for using sampled sounds via OctaMED and synthesized sounds via MSSIAH.  I'm not an OctaMED or OSS user though so YMMV.  I have slaved MSSIAH to my drum machine, and also to an Amiga running Bars & Pipes.  It's very reliable.

Definitely get a C=1351 mouse as someone else said, or be like me and find a Micromys.  MSSIAH supports the scroll wheel on PS/2 mice connected via Micromys.

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Re: Hey - MISSIAH and OSS
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2010, 04:19:44 PM »
Quote from: XDelusion;561071
O.K. I'm still wrapping my head around loading instruments, making them, naming them, etc. So I loaded the demo song and used its samples with MIDI! With 2 SID chips I have 6 Channels to play with!


The instruments are still available in the instrument editor even if you don't load the demo song.  You can scroll through the built-in instruments and then double-click the "GET" button to load that instrument into that ... voice.

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So my next step. Try to figure out exactly what the manual is telling me when it comes to samples. After that I need to figure out the Audio In part of my C64 and feed the Amiga's audio output through that which is supposed to then pass through the SID chips.


Samples?  You mean instruments?  They are not samples... they are real synthesized sounds.

You won't want to take the audio out of the Amiga into the audio in of the SID.  The audio in of the SID is mono, and the Amiga is stereo.  Just get a little audio mixer.

Unless you have two SIDs and are planning on having one channel of Amiga audio go to one SID, and the other channel go to the other?  Still, you'd have more control over your sound if you just get an external audio mixer like a Behringer Eurorack or a Yamaha thingy.  Or buy my Sunrize SoundSwitch :).

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Re: Hey - MISSIAH and OSS
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2010, 10:16:35 PM »
Quote from: TheGoose;561125
Interesting, so my thought now is to build my sid2sid board with one of each, so I can have max flavor, so to speak. Does that pose any issue? I can't wait to get my crap. Still hunting wild C64s on ebay...


Yeah, the manual says you can't do it.  You have to use 2 x whichever SID came with the machine you plan to use.
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Re: Hey - MISSIAH and OSS
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2010, 10:19:32 PM »
Quote from: Vegas;561166
Also thanks for the info about sids :idea:

Sure!  Sounds like the O.P. already knows a lot, and has two audio-in plugs on the Commodore, so I was telling the O.P. some things he already knew... but good thing somebody else finds it interesting and useful :)
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