DVD not a good solution

[Dan]

We should all been using 3,5" MO-discs for all storage needs today, if the future of the late 80s had come true.

Minidisc is a 2,5" MO-disc but I don´t think you will  be able to fit 5GB+ on one in the near future. They just reached 1GB with the recent HiMD, which can be used as masstorage with USB.

What is 3,5" MO on these days 2,6GB doublesided?
And 5,25" MO is at 5,2GB?

MO-discs is the storageformat used by the swedish national archive.

The pushing of the unprotected DVD was because of the same reason that TVs and cars gets their first hiccups a couple of months after the warranty

Anyway DVD is not for datastorage, who uses it for backup for example? The easiest way to backup a HD is to another HD!
And the professional users uses other ways to backup their data such as weird tape and custom discs with much greater storage capacity.
And for portable flashcards is the thing.

DVD is the same compromise the VHS was. Just a bit better picture. :-)

[Dan]

KennyR wrote:
And as for other magnetic storage like flopticals or hard drives, forget it. Too expensive. Maybe in 2020 when the manufacture gets cheaper (if we don't get an energy crisis). Same goes for flash.

Of course MO is expensive, it´s those economies of scale that Peg and A1 users is so fond of mentioning.
As for flash the price keeps falling all the time, 1GB cards are affordable now.
Remmeber a CD-ROM costed 5000? when I first got into computers. Same with 15" TFT monitors or 1GB flash.
If nobody goes for it and builds a big production-line cost isn´t going to fall. The only MO that is being pushed is the minidisc at the moment.

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flopticals- been years since i seen that, the 21MB weirdo that was backwards compatible with normal floppys, almost as rare as the IBM 4MB floppy or the PD-RW which was a phasechange something? which could read CDs but only burn 650MB PD-dics and was introduced as a cheaper(500?) alternative when the CD-R hit the 1000? mark:lol:
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DVD happened to be the only affordable and suitable technology around that fitted what they wanted - medium res compressed digital. They could have put the same stuff on a magnetic tape and sold that, even, but really, magnetic tape is on its way out.

There was 5,2GB MO before DVD, but I guess the moviecompanies wanted something with copy protection.

Of course if the technical specs was the only thing that counted we would be talking about VHS but Betamax :-P

[Dan]

KennyR wrote:
What makes you think VHS are so sturdy themselves? Many tapes I borrowed were dirty so you could hardly see a thing, or washed out because they've been used so much. And sometimes they twist or mangle or snap. Not to mention the fact that they slowly degrade even when you're not using them anyway.

Not to mention what old videoplayers in need of service does to them. FFWD STOP kachunk PLAY almost cut the tape in half.
Why don´t people just throw away old craplike that

[Dan]

KennyR wrote:
They could have put the same stuff on a magnetic tape and sold that, even, but really, magnetic tape is on its way out.

Anyone remmeber the DCC,the computer DV-player for a 3,5 inch bay that could also be used as backupdrive for your computer, DAT, C64-audiotapes, or this http://www.amiga-hardware.com/videobackup.html apparently you can store 200 fishdisks on VHS tape.

Of course DVD is just a stop on the road i-Tunes Store is the future( or some p2p program if you are on the dark side of the force:-))
"Hometapeing is killing music!"

[Dan]

Whats the moving parts in a MagnetOptical disc?:-?

HDs and flash sure it´s more expensive and complex.

Aarrgh stop calling it Floptical it was the stupid 21MB thingy on Next-machines

[Dan]

Dandy wrote:

Dan wrote:
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Not to mention what old videoplayers in need of service does to them. FFWD STOP kachunk PLAY almost cut the tape in half.

If you run the engine of your car without oil it will get destroyed.
The same is for playing video tapes in a maschine that's in need of service.
Give the maschine the service it requires and play your videotape *AFTERWARDS* and it will be O.K....

Dan wrote:
Why don´t people just throw away old craplike that

Because this would be the most stupid thing they could do, IMO.

I meant throw it away and buy a new one! As for service thats not an economical alternative here in Sweden. It would cost you half the price off a new player in the "decent" class, just to have a repairman looking at it.
It´s a different thing for higher quality equipment.

Already forgotten the whole DRM/Longhorn/Copyright thing?

From the customers point of view the whole DRM/Longhorn/Copyright thingie just is kind of modern robber-knighthood!
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I think I mentioned it

There was 5,2GB MO before DVD, but I guess the moviecompanies wanted something with copy protection.

As for those laws don´t worry they are going to be as unenforceable as the law against making your own liquor.
As long as you don´t sell it you are pretty safe.

[Dan]

I think the police have it´s hands full with the violent crimes!
What are you afraid off really?

[Dan]

Here in Sweden all labels put on a warning on the cd-case if "This cd might not be playable in all cd-players or PC CD-ROM"
Because otherwise a lot of people would come back and return it and ask for their money back.
There was somebody who could play his new Kent(a swedish band) cd in his carstereo with cdplayer with mp3-ability, that did just that. The record company took it all the way to the court where they lost the case in about 5 minutes.

[Dan]

Yes