Jens Shoenfeld's anwer to the Apollo petition

[LoadWB]

An Amiga with no boards installed is unstable, so how is it that different?

Crappy software and not the hardware, perhaps.  I tend to rely upon people like Piru and Jens as authoritative in their specific realms, especially when given salient arguments for their positions.

Aside from that, when people spend a shytload of money on hardware, they expect it to work properly.  I had an Apollo accelerator in my 4000D and it caused all sorts of problems with various other devices.  Move to a WarpEngine then to my CyberStorm and neither one ever just crashed due to hardware and I cannot recall any incompatibilities I've had with either.

In any case, Jens owns the rights, he's spoken out numerous times on the issue, and I find nothing wrong with his position on the matter, irrespective of dreck anyone may boil up about him trying to kill a product to further his own.

[LoadWB]

Advanced home electronics hobbyists that are involved in the amiga would kill for schematics+firmware!

From the looks of it, they could buy themselves out of homicide for $40k euros.

[LoadWB]

Jens says that apollo board are crap and unstable lol that's a big lie

Does it matter?  The designs belong to him.  They're not free to the Amiga Community (I believe someone here mentioned "Amiga Eminent Domain") simply because they are Amiga.  No one else ponied up the money for the designs so no one else gets to say what happens to them.  If we should point fingers at someone for this great disservice why not point fingers at whomever sold him the designs and rights in the first place.

We have enough whiz-kids around here who could design or pay to commission new accelerators rather than brow-beat someone who has spent time to design, develop, and produce quality Amiga hardware.  I just can't understand why the whinging has to continue because, boo hoo, Jens won't part with a product he purchased because he's a mean bastard!  Jens has and we don't, let's vilify him!

Seriously, some people need to grow up.  He's more than legitimized some of the arguments by agreeing to compromise with the sale of the MACH chips and ROMs.  IMNSHO the signers of the petitions are damn lucky he didn't simply say f-off tossers.

[LoadWB]

While I agree with you that its good that the Mach chips will be available due to the petition, I hardly thing that one of the remaining Amiga hardware manufacturers should tell potential customers to "f-off tossers" that is NOT good business. That kind of atittude i s NOT how you treat the community. (someone should tell some other amiga companies we know this as well)  Unfortanely with the level of fanboyism some amiga -ish companies feel like they can get away with bad customer support and products. We should just be grateful they are there. (even though we pay with hard earned money)

No, a reputable dealer should not (and did not, for anyone who reads this out of context) say such disparaging things.  It was meant as extreme hyperbole to counter the opposition.

I think we're pretty fortunate in this community to have our providers whittled down to people who actually care about the Amiga, their products, and their customers.

[LoadWB]

Are accelerators beholden to the personality of specific processors?  If not, then perhaps a run of unpopulated 060 accelerators for which the user provides his or her own CPU?  If Jens could make an 060 card better than my CyberStorm MKIII or Blizzard 1260 with on-board SATA and more RAM, I'd happily pull the 060 from either or both boards.

[LoadWB]

It's too bad that legitimate 060's are so hard to find. What if he did that, and then got lots of complaints from people buying 060's from sketchy sellers in Shenzen hocking substandard/counterfeit parts?

That's really not his problem.  With the reports of counterfeit 060s floating around recently, I'm not confident enough to buy any of them on-line, anyway.  Like I said, I'd strip my CyberStorm MKIII or Blizzard.

But, I can see how that presents a problem for him as there are a lot of people out there who simply don't get caveat emptor when sourcing potentially dodgy parts.  I deal with that all the time from hobbyist PC builders who want to know why a bunch of cheap parts purchased from some online suppliers just don't work together if at all.  God forbid a good part from me is in the mix, because I'm the one who takes that fall because I'm the only one who they can actually get hold of!

[LoadWB]

I think that a new cpu card should include cpu.

That's all well and good when the CPUs are in production and ready supply.  Unless someone has a FPGA 68060 replacement ready to roll...?

[LoadWB]

i will meet aliens from deep space during my lifetime

Howdy, neighbor!