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Re: Isnt there something we can learn from them?
« on: January 20, 2010, 01:39:32 AM »
OMG true story... just landed a complete original Atari 520ST system. All like new in the box. SF354 drive, SC1224 monitor and the system. Thought it would be cool to add to the museum. I gots to tell you... as far as any comparison to the Amiga 1000 - this thing is total and complete utter shite!  The TOS or GEM (or whatever it is called) is barely useable. I still haven't found a way to rename a folder you created. This system (albeit I'm sure an early one) is a total joke, even compared to AmigaOS 1.1. You'd have to be a total die-hard Atari fan to even think this thing stood a chance.

And that external disk drive that needs it's own brick power supply... Oh... and get this... it's only a single sided drive! 360kb of worthless technology right there. This thing is little more than a friggin' door stop or bookend to me.

The SC1224 monitor... with it's gigantic 12" screen... Find me an ST user that'll talk about the 1 inch border around it that the GEM "desktop" sits comfortably in... lol  For a rollout system, this thing is a total joke.

BTW: funny how even boxed (which all three "pieces" are) - this amounts to about $40 worth of ST stuff. :lol:

ST users are about the goofiest bunch of classic computing users you'll ever meet. I once had a Mega 2 system that everyone "wanted" AND advertised in an Atari specific forum, but nobody really had the cash for it. It had a VGA card, 16mhz Accelerator and a SCSI card all built in. Because the Atari people were soooooo loopy, I decided to strip the damn thing to its bare essentials and sold off the lot piece by piece. That bit of mental retardation brought in about 6x the amount I was originally asking to be done with the whole system. We all know stuff like this is worth more separately, but c'mon... that was just plain ridiculous.
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Re: Isnt there something we can learn from them?
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2010, 01:50:02 AM »
Not trying to be an ass (although its often unavoidable), but I do seriously use a 520 as a doorstop... and it works just fine! lol
 

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Re: Isnt there something we can learn from them?
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2010, 02:13:15 AM »
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And this is different from us Amiga users how?

Amiga users generally have a LOT more disposable income for this junk... lol

BTW: I was only originally asking $85-$100 for that Mega ST 2  ;)
 

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Re: Isnt there something we can learn from them?
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2010, 02:53:43 AM »
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I couldn't really find a popular hub/forum for Atari-land that seemed to have some excitement or at least interesting conversation. Am I blind???

Nope, don't fret. You're not blind! Hell, there's more going on in the TRS-80, TI-99/4A and Apple ][+ worlds than 16-bit Atari currently ;)

Let's not forget something... the Atari ST was designed from the ground up to be a utilitarian/appliance type computer. Cheap computing for cheap bastards. That was Idek Tramielski's first, foremost and ONLY game plan since founding Commodore. Mass quantity sales worked for systems like the C=64, but by the time that the second and third generation of home computing hit, that ideology was quickly becoming obsolete. People wanted something either REALLY different or something VERY similar. These are just my opinions and observations growing up with the stuff mind you and there's a ton of idiosyncrasies and other managerial/marketing type decisions going on - but... (and it doesn't matter that Atari designers designed the Amiga) fact remains that once Tramiel left Commodore and fled to Atari, it was pretty much the beginning of the end for both companies. Their management (at both corporations) were so out of touch that it wasn't funny. Neither really knew how to market what they had. Especially Commodore. Atari ruined their reputation with retailers and users alike between shitty relations with corporate buyers to the fact the average consumer wasn't going to be duped by Atari's (and to a lesser extenet: Commodore's) rehashing of obsolete computer shite.

Put simply: you don't continue to market 8-bit computing when you're trying to sell 16/32-bit computers. Never works, ever worked, and still wouldn't work. These guys were awful communicators and weren't really into the biz for computing in the first place. Especially Atari. Look at their ridiculously repackaged 8-bit crap (since the 800): the entire XL/XE line. Then there was the XEGS (joke), the 8-bit computer sans keyboard gaming console otherwise known as the 5200. 7800 was a joke compared to the NES and the Lynx was even plagued by a shitty/blurry screen (great hardware otherwise, designed by Amiga people). Oh, can't forget about the folly that was the Jaguar...  :lol:  

C= had their share of retardation by releasing the 128 around the same time as Amiga and the rebranding of the C64c but at least they made far fewer model mistakes than Atari. Guess they always considered themselves competition, which was too bad. Competing against yourself NEVER works. Not in the 80's or 90's anyway. And we're not talking about auto's either. Perfect example of what I'm trying to convey is how GM and Chrysler dropped a few lines each. Why? Because they had too many brands that were ALL the same. Hardly any variance and people knew that.

Bottom line: no such thing as product loyalty anymore. Not since the floodgates of cheap ass disposable consumer electronics were made possible thanks to the administration of Silly Billy Clinton ;)
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Re: Isnt there something we can learn from them?
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2010, 03:26:51 AM »
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Never mind that, CBM were selling bloddy PC's at the same time as they were "selling" the Amiga line.

Commodore didn't release Amigas - They escaped!!

LOL! How in the hell could I forget that?!? The PC10 and PC20 I think they were called. Not really marketed over here in the States though... mostly an overseas scam, were they not...  lol

Just remembered something... believe it or not, I saw Commodore's PC compatibles behind glass, marketed and for sale at the Toys 'R Us stores in Chicagoland back in the day. Talk about brand and marketing confusion.  :lol:
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