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Re: Aminet Copyright Upload Dilemma
« on: September 04, 2007, 08:09:54 PM »
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The fact that code is made available to you does not always mean you are free to do with it whatever you like.


Please... keep it secret then, although one could still disassemble it.

I may do with it whatever I like that it is in the realm of law in my country. If his license goes against it I might as well choose to ignore it.

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Re: Aminet Copyright Upload Dilemma
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2007, 11:20:37 PM »
Let's talk GPL, I may do with it whichever I like as long as I do not distribute it... which part exactly did you not understand?

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Developers, odd as it may seem, sometimes give source code but retain ownership.

Which odd as it may seem I never questioned about.

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Yes. That's a serious qualifier to the above statement, isn't it? Your argument jumps like a lion but lands like a mouse. You are living in a country that has signed up to the WIPO treaties (World Intellectual Property Organization) and the Bern convention. That means you can expect that your copyright is respected and are required to respect others' copyright. Copyright places all rights, including the right to modify and distribute, with the creator. The license is the bit in which the copyright holder relinquishes some (or all) of these rights, so you better respect that part, it has been written for you benefit.


We don't live in a lawless state, nor do laws came out of random, as such you cannot have a copyright statement where it says for example:

You can only use this software if you stand only by one foot.

I was not talking in taking the place of copyright from anyone, just that what he can or cannot do is already covered, it's not as if he possess all that freedom of which you talk about, it's was opened, as such he got proof of the copyright of what was written, the rest is out of his control...


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Re: Aminet Copyright Upload Dilemma
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2007, 11:38:18 PM »
I was talking only that I could do with it whichever I wanted, distribution is not something I do with the software, I do not run distribution, I do not compile distribution, I do not do upgrades to distribution, with the software yes, I do whichever I want.


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Re: Aminet Copyright Upload Dilemma
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2007, 01:19:07 AM »
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Let's talk GPL

Let's not, that's another topic (that's a well-formed license and no second-guessing is required).


You said it all, well-formed license... those who aren't have no grounds to stand for.


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Re: Aminet Copyright Upload Dilemma
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2007, 01:26:14 AM »
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I was talking only that I could do with it whichever I wanted

There are limits even then (unless you are only talking about GPL'ed software?). For example, if you unlock an unlockable feature that you didn't purchase, you are probably comitting fraud.


First, weren't we talkin about open source, second if that's the case how would it have unlockable features, third, if an unlockable feature gets unlocked doesn't it cease to be unlockable?

Unless you're implying the author while exposing these unlockable features expect that no one mess with them, which is just plain dumb, namely for one author who can write some kind of unlockable software.


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Re: Aminet Copyright Upload Dilemma
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2007, 08:39:09 AM »
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No. Well, that depends on what you mean by open source. We didn't talk about software placed under an Open Source license. That would be a clear-cut case and not warrant discussion. The subject was proprietary software shipping with source code.

Which is great for nitpicking... if it ships with source code for me it's open sourced...
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"Unlockable" means it it can be unlocked (the verb is unlock), so it becomes unlocked.

I got it backwards... but what is the problem of unlocking unlockable software, aren't they meant to be that way, unlocked? :-P


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Re: Aminet Copyright Upload Dilemma
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2007, 03:18:12 PM »
Will you tell me how to use? It's my decision to take not theirs...


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Re: Aminet Copyright Upload Dilemma
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2007, 05:18:46 PM »
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It's my decision to take not theirs...

Well, it just isn't (you may stomp on the floor now but that probably won't change anything, but give it a try anyway ;)


Well, it's their burden... it's as if one cross the road without even looking, you might be right, but it's YOU who take the hit, and there's not compensation who will take it from you.


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