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Re: Elbox Dragon "news"
« on: November 12, 2006, 10:00:26 PM »
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Security warning: Elbox' pci.library also contains RDB trashing code



That concerns a very old version of pci.library; pre-5.0.  Current version is 6.2.  Same is true with usb.device.  Also, problem described can be avoided by using SFS or PFS instead of standard FFS.  I've not had any problems with mediator's drivers.  Elbox's code is safe, as is their hardware.    

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Re: Elbox Dragon "news"
« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2006, 10:12:24 PM »
Good lord, if it will stop the brewing civil war, I'll[/b] pay the 38eur myself.  Anyone else care to chip in?  :)  
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Re: Elbox Dragon "news"
« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2006, 10:20:47 PM »
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If you're happy with possibility of having RDB erasing code in your drivers, sure, why not. Such code is illegal in EU, however. While Elbox continues to crypt their drivers, it's impossible to tell if such code will be put back at some point.



Has this actually happened to anyone?  If its as nefarious as it is described then someone by now would have triggered it..  
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Re: Elbox Dragon "news"
« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2006, 10:45:48 PM »
How many programmers does elbox employ?  Is it possible this was the work of a rogue employee - since dismissed?   I don't think an "inside job" is outside the realm of possibility.  It would not be the first time that has happened.
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Re: Elbox Dragon "news"
« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2006, 11:14:57 PM »
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They later claimed it was their anti-piracy measure, so I doubt it.



Corporations are like politicians in how they respond to damaging news.  They respond with whatever explanation seems, at the time, like the one that will make the questions go away.  Under such circumstances, I can see where they would take a defensive, almost reactionary position.  Heck, just by virtue of being an Amiga hardware developer, they are probably used to being quick on the defensive to almost any question, let alone one concerning allegations of malicious software.  The "we did it to protect our product from criminals" excuse probably just seemed better than "We did it because we accidently hired a criminal".   I just find it hard to believe that a company like Elbox could, if it chose, make a lot more money in the greener pastures of the x86 world, but instead chose to support a much smaller but dedicated Amiga market, largely on the basis of virtue.  It certainly wasn't for market share, stock price, or 7-figure profit margins.  It just doesn't make sense that this company has a bi-polar evil twin who laces its charity with poison.    
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Re: Elbox Dragon "news"
« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2006, 02:44:05 AM »
@Piru

If this "trashing" routine were triggered would it physically ruin the drive such that it could never be used again?  Or does it trash the file structure (thus data) on the drive, but where I could still partition and reformat the drive?
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Re: Elbox Dragon "news"
« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2006, 03:05:32 AM »
Thats what I thought.  About a month ago I had a disk fail rather dramatically.  I just wanted to make sure it died of natural causes.  Or to make sure software, as you said, is "irrelevant" in this case.  As it apparently is..
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Re: Elbox Dragon "news"
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2006, 11:35:18 AM »
Man, software translators have a long way to go...  That almost hurt reading, it was so disjointed.  My guess is they're saying Poseidan was registered privately by an employee but there is a dispute over the amount paid?  Dunno,  thats only a guess.
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Re: Elbox Dragon "news"
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2006, 03:17:12 AM »
I think thats a fair analysis.
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