Thendic holding Amiga licence and patents?

[jedi]

I totally agree with Senex.

Bill&Raquel/Thendic/Genesi give only information concerning some points (by answering always correctly to everybody), and some people try only to attack them without arguments and reasons except uninformation.

And @ all who say "in a very unprofessional way on a public forum" concerning Bill&Raquel/Thendic/Genesi : do you really think that Hermans, Moss,... interventions/posts on forums (like ANN or Amiga.org) are more professional ??... (especially Ben Hermans the first, as OS project leader, should take more, professional, distance himself...).

Personnally, I follow Pegasos/MorphOS/bPlan/Thendic since the beginning, and what I see everytime is a great, and serious, work to offer the best product (machine & OS) to the Amiga Community and outside the Community.

But, what I see too often on forums like Amiga.org (or ANN), are people who don't respect this hard and excellent work !

When I read some posts/comments, I'm sure that a majority of you have NEVER really seen, and tested/used, the Pegasos/MorphOS running, and all the work, with today results, of Thendic/bPlan/Genesi.

Before to judge something, wait and see. And speak only about what you really know. For that, try to come to Meetings & Shows where Pegasos/MorphOS are demonstrated, especially the next Aachen in Germany  ;-) (where will be sold to anybody the first really new product in the Amiga market since 1994  :-))

So, be constructive and respectuous, please.
"we are all in the same boat" ;-)

[jedi]

@MikeB

"As the way I see this, Ben Hermans mainly clarifies questions/statements with regard to their product, AmigaOS4."

Certainly not.
I would like to suggest you to read again the hundreds posts of Ben Hermans on forums (ANN the first), but I don't want that you lose your time ;-)

Seriously, Ben Hermans is certainly the first "project leader" inside the Community who posts on forums whatever the subjects, concerning AmigaOS4 or not, confidential or not, respectuous of the contracts/NDA or not.

Sometimes, its posts are professional and interesting, sometimes not.

[jedi]

@Desler

"It might be that the pegasos/morphos solution is a very nice package, and that the hardware is cheap and so on. But the fact is still that its not an amiga!!!
Its an OS which is compatible with amigaOS. It may outrange Aos 4.0 for all that I know but its still not the real thing.
It seems to me that there have been alot of hard feelings between morphos/pegasos and amiga inc from the start. Maybe one should just accept the loss and try to marked the morphos as an independant os"

That's your personnal point of view ;-)

For me, Pegasos/MorphOS is really a new, powerfull, "Amiga" with a new, modern, "AmigaOS". Ok, that's my personnal point of view. You can agree it or not.

And everybody can consider MorphOS like an independant OS, that does'nt shock/disturb me ;-)

When we love something, and when we believe in something, the name is totally indifferent and not important. I prefer to consider the machine, the results and the perspectives instead of some letters of a simple name.

[jedi]

"Neither can it be named AmigaOS nor does it contain parts of AmigaOS. At best it is an Amiga-like OS (well, it should be since it emulates an Amiga environment)."

@Ketzer

That's your personnal point of view.

And, have you already used/tested in live Pegasos/MorphOS ? I'm sure not.

"well, it should be since it emulates an Amiga environment" : that's not exact. MorphOS emulates only 68k and custom chips, but not other (i.e. PPC native and system apps).

And that will be EXACTLY the same with AmigaOS4. AmigaOS4 will emulate ALL the 68k (no 680x0 chip on AmigaOne) and custom chips (no AGA chip on AmigaOne) applications. So, by following your argument : "AmigaOne, at best it is an Amiga-like OS (well, it should be since it emulates an Amiga environment)."...

;-)

[jedi]

@Ben Hermans

"Please visit the Petunia website for additional technical information."

Petunia, the AmigaOS 68k emulator for AmigaOne ? lol.

Who said that an emulateur, or a "box", will never be an AmigaOS ?...

[jedi]

@JoeAFUA

"A little correction to what you said: MorphOS and AmigaOS 4 don't emulate the custom chips. They use them if they are present (so when running on a A1200, A4000 or A3000 with a PPC card)."

Of course. I spoke on Pegasos and AmigaOne ;-)

[jedi]

@Herewegoagain

"Also, it will not emulate the whole 68k OS. Much of the ORIGINAL AMIGA OS is re-written in PPC native code. That is what makes this The Official One."

True.

But, for the moment AmigaOS4 is not here. And for the moment, when I use MorphOS on Pegasos it's like I use an AmigaOS on an Amiga, but better and more powerfull. Majority of the Amiga Classic applications runs (very fast) on MorphOS. That's give me, NOW, what we have waited for many years : a modern "AmigaOS" on a modern "Amiga". Of course, without the name. But is the name important when we have all we want ?...

(@JoeAFUA: of course ;-))

[jedi]

To resume : for me, it's more important to see, and to get, (great) results (with great perspectives) than an official name. (And that's also more intelligent).

[jedi]

@MikeB

> I happy for you, that you are happy with MorphOS and your Pegasos.

I wish you the same with AmigaOS4 and AmigaOne ;-)


> What I have seen so far for myself is simply far too unstable, although the iterface is quite nice when it doesn't crash. I hope that Genesi will suprize me at the Aachen show.

I would like say the same for AmigaOS4 on AmigaOne. That would say that AmigaOS4 is already available. But for the moment, nobody has seen AmigaOS4 running on AmigaOne, with Workbench and everything, neither on Amiga Classic PPC...

And you can be sure, when it will be available on AmigaOne, that AmigaOS4 will also crash and will be unstable ! And that's normal at the beginning ;-)

For your information, MorphOS is more and more stable day after day, and crashes very less. In fact, it's more the applications (badly coded) which crash MorphOS than MorphOS crashes itself ;-)

 
> As with regard to my personal preference to the AmigaOS4 project currently, this based on the sum of all the things I know so far. The public feature list and interviews done by the AmigaOS4 team gives me alot more insight into their project. Also they have tried to personally answer every single one of my questions.

Ok, but that's not concrete. What is the reality ?...
Personnaly, I prefer judge with concrete and results, in reality, than "public feature list and interviews" only on paper (for the moment)...

That the big difference : a lot of people have already seen and used/tested MorphOS running on Pegasos (at home, in Shows, in Meetings,...), but who for AmigaOS4 on AmigaOne (except the Hyperion team and a boot Firmware) ?...


> With regard to my AmigaOne preference, this is based on several facts. Most importantly it is AmigaOS4 licensed hardware already, secondly it offers me a G4 solution already, and finally it offers me an additional 66 Mhz PCI slot in comparison to a Pegasos (Although the Pegasos IS excellent hardware, I agree!).

Are you sure that AmigaOne offers you a G4 solution already ?... ;-)


> IMO everyone should just buy whatever makes them happy, and respect the choice of others.

Exactly :-)

[jedi]

@MikeB

> Hyperion have demonstrate that the AmigaOS kernel, ExecSG is fully functional on the AmigaOne already. Also many AmigaOS4 components have already been demonstrated at various Amiga shows.

Thanks, I already know and see all that ;-)
But that's only the beginning, the road will be still so long... and don't believe that the rest will be easier (even with the OS 3.1 source code and the some components ready).

In fact, the problems will begin when Hyperion will be able to start to test really the full AmigaOS4 with all components directly on AmigaOne... ;-)


> Yes, you can get more info on this offer here. The boards will be delivered before christmas if people order them now.

I know also that. But you will see that these AmigaOne XE G4 won't be delivered before Christmas even if people order them now... (for the moment, I think it's more reasonable to order AmigaOne G3 SE. At least, we are sure that AmigaOne G3 SE runs, on LinuxPPC... ;-).

[jedi]

@catohagen

"I would say Mos is still 5-6 months away before its
available to Joe Public."

You, guy, can you say me when AmigaOS4 will be fully available on AmigaOne to Joe Public ?... ;-)

Seriously, Pegasos with MorphOS 1.0 will be available to everybody at the Amiga+Retro Computing 2002 (in December as promised some months ago).

Of course it will be a 1.0 version, and like other OS (Windows, MacOS,...) there will be still some bugs, like AmigaOS4 when it will be available... (or AmigaOS 1.0 in 1985 ;-))

An Operating System on a Computer is NEVER finish...