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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« on: December 26, 2010, 07:55:16 AM »
I don't hate it in itself, and I think some AGA games look amazing (Ruff 'n' Tumble springs to mind as an example).

I think what a lot of people resent is that it was too little too late, and that AGA was so quickly overtaken by other platforms' graphics hardware with no hope of an update from Commodore :(
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #1 on: December 26, 2010, 09:05:58 AM »
Yeah Breathless was amazing. It looked fantastic and ran really fast even on an 030. The only thing I wish is that the enemies weren't all robots. Robots aren't scary ;)
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #2 on: December 26, 2010, 01:05:01 PM »
Quote from: Franko;601837
never understood why anyone who went from an A500 to an A1200 wasn't impressed at the time with AGA to me the difference was amazing... :)


ISTR magazines slating a lot of AGA titles because they were little more than the OCS/ECS version with a gaudy background. But that's less a criticism of AGA and more about how it was actually used, IMO. There were a lot of amazing AGA titles which really did a great job of highlighting the benefit of AGA.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #3 on: December 26, 2010, 01:08:24 PM »
Quote from: Franko;601876
You something I don't like all that eye candy either and now for the life of me I can't think why I run Workbench in 128 colours !!!

There is a reason but I just can't remember right now... this is my typical everyday Workbench... :)



AGA Workbenches are beautiful :)
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #4 on: December 26, 2010, 01:53:29 PM »
Quote from: coldfish;601898
Ruff 'n' Tumble looks like an AGA game but is actually OCS/ECS.  I thought it was AGA too until I tried it on my A500 and it worked!  Hats off to the coders.


WTF?! Maybe AGA is rubbish after all! :lol:
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #5 on: December 26, 2010, 02:54:16 PM »
Quote from: coldfish;601908
Just goes to show what can be done with crusty old OCS in the hands of talented coders.  Its a shame we didnt see more from those guys.

Think what they could have done with AGA!
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #6 on: December 26, 2010, 03:19:33 PM »
Quote from: Speelgoedmannetje;601920
Ruff 'n Tumble runs awesome here on my OCS Amiga :)

Well I know that now ;) How did they make games look so good with so few colours?!

Quote from: Speelgoedmannetje;601920
As well as Lionheart, Elfmania, Jim Power and Fighting Spirit.
That's why AGA feels a bit like a let-down, the best looking Amiga games are all OCS original.

Is that more to do with lazy coders not using AGA to its full potential, or was AGA really not much of an improvement?

Quote from: Speelgoedmannetje;601920
There's one very valid pro-aga point however, Doom needed a lot of megaherzes and megabytes, also on the pc (or a 3d accellerated chipset like on the Playstation and Atari Jaguar).
I remember that Doom didn't run smoothly on a friends' 486 66mhz with 4mb memory. Neither did it run smooth on my 486 33mhz with 8mb. It was all choppy and I have tweaked alot in my bios and config.sys/autoexec.bat to enable it to run that tiny bit faster (to a point that the whole system seriously crashed). I don't know whether it even ran at all on a 386.

But did AGA really help with Doom? My 040 A1200 didn't run it very well until I added a graphics card.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2010, 03:21:12 PM »
Quote from: Karlos;601922
Wait one. This thread seems a misnomer. Who actually hates AGA?

Recognising that AGA is old and slow, acknowledging it's shortcomings or accepting that it was too little too late in terms of what else was being released around the same time is just being a realist.

You'd actually have to have some serious issues to hate it though.


I suspect that hatred towards the chipset is most likely displaced hatred/disappointment towards Commodore :(
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2010, 03:32:43 PM »
As a "bad" example of AGA:

Zool AGA

Those backdrops are just ghastly!

Edit - fixed iPad autocorrect error ;)
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2010, 10:30:31 PM »
Quote from: yssing;602002
Well after AGA, the only real option was/is to go RTG. Maybe with some sort of AGA emulation, much like UAE which can do both.


Emulating AGA on an RTG card would break compatibility with hardware-banging AGA software, making it pretty useless for games. UAE doesn't even do this; RTG and AGA are separate just like on real hardware.
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #10 on: December 27, 2010, 08:56:12 AM »
@thread
Group hug! ;)
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #11 on: December 27, 2010, 05:58:14 PM »
Quote from: Kesa;602153
I'm really surprised on how popular this thread is. It's been posted on really quick. I can hardly keep up with all the replies


Ditto... This thread reminds me why this site is so much effort :lol:

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2010, 09:14:20 PM »
Quote from: Speelgoedmannetje;602233
color cycling is one of those techniques to achieve that. :)

Plans for tomorrow: Re-play OCS games looking for colour cycling :)
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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2010, 01:25:28 PM »
I really don't understand why people are getting so angry about this.

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Re: Am I the only one who doesn't hate AGA?
« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2010, 02:56:11 PM »
Quote from: gertsy;602434
Me either.  
Maybe it's because it's soooo cold in the northern hemisphere at the moment I guess they're trying to stay warm....


I'm in the northern hemisphere too :)
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