Pegasos Gothenburg Show 2002 announced

[AmiGR]

Ehm, do you know anything about Operating System
generations? Bah, I don't think you do... If you did you
wouldn't even mention that...

As for the AmigaOS running on PPC part, MorphOS
was just an emulator back then.... It just emulated
the 68k. So yes, it did run AmigaOS 68k on PPC in
the year 2000, up to version 0.4. It just patched parts
of the OS to make it run on the emulator without
the need to emulate the custom chipset.

[AmiGR]

The versions the announcement talks about runned AmigaOS 68k. It needed the Amiga chipset, so yes
it does run on Amiga hardware with the Phase5
PPC *EXPANSION/ACCELERATOR* cards.
Do you read? *EXPANSION* They *EXPAND* the Amiga hardware. They do no *REPLACE* it, so NO it
does *NOT* on Phase5 hardware it runs on Amiga
hardware expanded with the Phase5 PPC cards.

[AmiGR]

I didn't contradict myself... In the begining it needed
the chipset(until 0.4 I think). It did replace some
device drivers that couldn't run in their original form
but still needed the chipset for the rest. Later they
replaced more and more until it didn't need the chipset and as a matter of fact, didn't need AmigaOS
68k stuff at all. Clear now?

[AmiGR]

What you can't understand is that it's not illegal to run AmigaOS under an Amiga emulator on your
Amiga computer, using your original Kickstart ROM,
that is essentially installed on your hardware.
So if I made a new exec, patch it on AmigaOS
and run the rest of the OS normally, would I commit
a crime? If yes, go on and arrest the authors of AROS... It has been possible to do that for quite a long time. Run the AROS exec on Amiga hardware
and use the rest from the ROM.

[AmiGR]

The exec is the AmigaOS kernel, so yes you would
run AROS and AmigaOS on top of that. You just don't
need to emulate the 68k.

[AmiGR]

"Apple was unable to mount a case against A-Max due to the fact that it had been designed so as to not interfere with Apple's rights with regards to Mac technology and the Mac market."
--

Do you know anything about AMax? It was designed
to use the actual Macintosh ROM chips. The court
decided that such use of ROMs for emulation is legal.

"It established the legality of an unauthorized emulator for a proprietary system so long as it does not infringe upon the original vendor's intellectual property rights."
--

Exactly. The EULA of 3.1 doesn't mention anything
against emulation, only about illegal copying.
MorphOS uses the ROM chip intact. When you installed the chips you accepted the EULA terms.
Amiga Inc., or ANY Amiga Inc., can't change the
EULA terms after you accepted them, unless stated
otherwise in the EULA.

So: 1) MorphOS doesn't infringe Amiga Inc.'s IP rights.
2) It's use does not infringe the EULA the user accepted.

[AmiGR]

A court case proved that the law DOES NOT APPLY
TO THIS USE OF THE ROMS. So why do you keep
repeating the same thing while it's DEAD obvious?
The "specific laws" were proved not to apply in that
case, so it does not infringe the IP rights of the
original vendor.
So neither the IP is infringed nor the EULA is broken.
That was my point. What is YOUR point?

Oh, and about the specific case (the MOS one) don't
even try... I know MUCH more that you think about
this one...

[AmiGR]

All right:
MorphOS 0.1-4 was an emulator using the ROMs LEGALLY. It only patched Exec and expansion
but even UAE patches some parts of the OS.
So as you said:
" An emulator is not a competing alternative or even a stand alone product but rather a complement to the original product."

MorphOS 0.5+ Do not use nor need the Amiga Kickstart ROM and replace AmigaOS completely.
It falls in the "competiting alternative" category
you mentioned. It does not use the ROM, so it does
not infringe Amiga Inc's IP. That simple :-)
You actually made my life A LOT easier with those
statements:-)

Now what? Gonna reverse your own statements?
The problem with you is that you apply some stuff you know on some stuff you know nothing about.

[AmiGR]

Again MorphOS 0.1-4 was an OS running an Amiga
emulator. MorphOS itself (quark+hal) does not need
anything else to work. They are standalone.
In it's first versions, the A/Box was an Amiga emulator. So no, MorphOS 0.1-4 wasn't an OS using the Amiga ROM. MorphOS was and is a standalone
OS. It was running an Amiga Emulator and is now
running a full AmigaOS replacement.

[AmiGR]

When I referred to MorphOS earlier, I referred to the
A/Box. MorphOS itself is an OS on it's own right.
A/Box was an emulator and it was the part requiring
the ROM.

It was my mistake, sorry.

[AmiGR]

How can you remove it? Easilly. Delete abox.rom
(it was amiga.rom in the emulator days) and
module.rom. The startup utility provided with
MorphOS won't run without them but you can use
another boot tool to load the kernel+hal in the RAM
and boot morphos. It won't do anything as it won't
have anything to run, abox is the only current application running in Quark.

[AmiGR]

Also, if you run the emulator ontop of another OS than the original, then it's not running on the original system anymore and then it is infringing on their IP.
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Aha! Why wasn't AMax prosecuted then?
It wasn't running MacOS under MacOS!
It was running MacOS under AmigaOS using
the MacOS ROM on a card (+ a floppy interface).

[AmiGR]

There was no A/Box until these later versions which hasn't been released to the public. You can read about that on the MorphOS website, it goes something along the lines "...is from now on called A/Box".
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AHAHH! Of course... It was called "Amiga Emulation".
They changed the name to A/Box after it became
what it is right now.

[AmiGR]

If you mean the Amiga Emulation (A/Box)(amiga.rom,
module.rom) it doesn't:) The startup tool just asks
for them to boot the OS and run the emulator directly.
The startup utility isn't a part of the OS though, it's
a standard AmigaOS application and you're free to make another startup tool, or modify a ready one.

[AmiGR]

Why don't you refer to the announcement you posted
earlier?
What does it mention? *Under* MorphOS a Mixed Mode AmigaOS *RUNS* as a multithreaded application/driver. Only infriging thing I find in MorphOS right now is the use of the AmigaOS name
in the first announcements.
So, NO the emulator did NOT claim to be an OS by it's own.
It runned UNDER an OS, MorphOS.

[AmiGR]

If you ever bothered to run MorphOS with maximum
debug and take a look at the boot logs, you would know that this is wrong... I also have a test version
that doesn't need it all, it just boots quark, for debug
without any extra help by the user.