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I have never heard of a tool to do this. What benefit would there be besides saving a few minutes of undoing a few screws to visually check yourself?

If there was a tool, as others have hinted at, I don't think there would be one to do it accurately. "Educated guess" "likely scenario" results would be possible based on hardware configuration such as RAM, Agnus and so on...........but not an "accurate conclusion". Too many possible overlapping variables and user hacks/modifications would be why it would only be a "guess".
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2013, 12:30:32 PM »
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If you never intend to open it up, why would you care?


Because knowing if it's OCS or ECS, may satisfy your OCD! OMG LOL :D
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2013, 12:09:19 PM »
I've come up with an idea to avoid opening the case and destroying the warranty seal to view the revision.

Just drill a big fricken' 2" round hole through the top of the case and through the sheidling. It will be there in all it's glory. Dada - warranty seal intact! :D
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2013, 12:53:24 AM »
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How many different revision boards are there?

I know of 3, 5, 6a and 8a? are there others?

I'm fairly confident you'd be able to work out what revision the board is, but I only have a 6a and 5 to look at, but can easily tell the difference without opening the case...


How would you work it out?


There is a Rev 8A.1 as well. I think there is a Rev 7 as well. There may be others.

I am sure if Piru was here he could help and explain it. But he's not. But, just think along the lines of his whichamiga program. It sometimes states that "Your computer is probably an Amiga 1200"...or..."Your computer is an Amiga or compatible"...or...sometimes spot on specifically "Your computer is an Amiga 1200". Sometimes you can be confident, sometimes you cant.

And that is the also part of the problem with telling the motherboard revision via a software program. The software program doesn't know for example that "you've owned the computer since new" and that "you know it has never been opened" and therefore can't reliably use any kind of hardware spec peeking code to accurately tell you what the motherboard is based on expected specs. The software doesn't know if it's been modified. It could assume, but not know.

What if Agnus has been changed? What if Denise has been upgraded? What if Kickstart has been changed? What if a chip RAM hack has been done? What if all these changes and more were done to one motherboard?

At best, a software tool may be able to state "Your motherboard is *probably* a Rev x" based on expected specifications....but not accurately "Your motherboard *is* a Rev x".

In saying that I haven't specifically sat down and made a table of motherboard and related specs and cross referenced the possible outcomes.

In saying all the above, I was wrong once, but that was a looooooooooong time ago :D
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2013, 03:28:10 AM »
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turn the case upside down!


A great suggestion! And with the benefit of hindsight - so obvious :D

Perhaps a combination of this method + something else may be the answer?
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2013, 04:16:00 AM »
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I've only got rev5 and rev6a boards... but I believe there are enough differences with components and their locations that you could figure out if it was a rev3 or rev8 as well....


You're probably right...but I'm keeping in mind there is only a small viewing "window" from underneath...so it may be hard to see all those differences through the case with the naked eye. As someone else previously mentioned, a flexi-camera may help here. A quick glance at different openings in the casing (zorro slot side, floppy drive side, trapdoor access and various vent holes) makes me think this is probably possible with a camera.

This has got me intriqued :D I'm now thinking that, while not practical, the answer is YES to the original posters question. Regardless of the "easiest" solution being - "just open the case to see"!

PS. I've got Rev 5, 6a, 8A and 8A.1 here...I am checking them all out now...
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2013, 12:53:12 PM »
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All my a500's have shielding around the entire motherboard. You can't see anything through the case vents, or pretty much anywhere else for that matter.


Are you 100% sure? I thought mine were too...until I actually looked. It's certainly not a clear view...but you can make out parts (the RAM area as Ammo suggested) through the underneath vents/clear plastic motherboard insulation sheet.
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #7 on: October 07, 2013, 05:51:47 AM »
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Schrödinger's A500.

Schrodinger never owned an A500! Or did he? ;)