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Offline Astral

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #29 from previous page: October 06, 2013, 04:16:00 AM »
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I've only got rev5 and rev6a boards... but I believe there are enough differences with components and their locations that you could figure out if it was a rev3 or rev8 as well....


You're probably right...but I'm keeping in mind there is only a small viewing "window" from underneath...so it may be hard to see all those differences through the case with the naked eye. As someone else previously mentioned, a flexi-camera may help here. A quick glance at different openings in the casing (zorro slot side, floppy drive side, trapdoor access and various vent holes) makes me think this is probably possible with a camera.

This has got me intriqued :D I'm now thinking that, while not practical, the answer is YES to the original posters question. Regardless of the "easiest" solution being - "just open the case to see"!

PS. I've got Rev 5, 6a, 8A and 8A.1 here...I am checking them all out now...
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2013, 12:06:27 PM »
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turn the case upside down!
 
you can look through the slot vents under the memory, and see if it has the single row of memory chips, with every second one missing, or the two rows of chips with all being populated...
 
then at least you'll know if its a rev3/5 or rev6a/8

All my a500's have shielding around the entire motherboard. You can't see anything through the case vents, or pretty much anywhere else for that matter.
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2013, 12:53:12 PM »
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All my a500's have shielding around the entire motherboard. You can't see anything through the case vents, or pretty much anywhere else for that matter.


Are you 100% sure? I thought mine were too...until I actually looked. It's certainly not a clear view...but you can make out parts (the RAM area as Ammo suggested) through the underneath vents/clear plastic motherboard insulation sheet.
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #32 on: October 06, 2013, 08:13:29 PM »
As said, all the ones I've looked at have the same slots cut out in the metal shield, but have a translucent sheet, which you should still be able to tell if its rev3/5 or rev6/8... Although I'm not sure that helps much :P
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2013, 12:57:33 AM »
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Schrödinger's A500.  It's all Amiga 500s until you open the case, then your observation determines which A500 it is.


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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2013, 05:51:47 AM »
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Schrödinger's A500.

Schrodinger never owned an A500! Or did he? ;)
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2013, 11:33:35 AM »
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As said, all the ones I've looked at have the same slots cut out in the metal shield, but have a translucent sheet, which you should still be able to tell if its rev3/5 or rev6/8... Although I'm not sure that helps much :P

hmm, yeah the plastic looks reflective so unless you shine a light on it you don't see anything & even then it's tricky to make out. It would be interesting to get pictures of each revision though as it might be that it's enough, if there are slight variances in component placement.
 
I'm not sure why you'd want to know what revision it was though. What people want to know is:
 
Kickstart
Agnus
Denise
 
You can probably figure out which revision it is from that tbh.
 
I think rev 3 was kickstart 1.2, rev 5 was kickstart 1.3 (although some people seem to have rev 5 with 1.2 roms, so whether you have a commodore or amiga key might give it away). Both were OCS.
Rev 6 was ECS but still kickstart 1.3, it might only be ECS agnus though and not ECS denise.
 
Rev 8 will definitively be ECS, probably 2.04 but it's been known to be 1.3 as well. I don't know if there is a way to tell the difference between a rev 8 configured as an a500 and a rev 6 (possibly only if you can detect the difference between a 1mb agnus with 0.5mb ram and a 2mb agnus with 0.5mb ram).
 
It wouldn't surprise me if commodore shipped some rev 3 with 1.3 though if they found some old pcb's in a box somewhere, the same for keyboards. You got what you got.
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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2013, 07:39:19 PM »
I had a factory sealed Rev5 with a 1.2 ks, and a keyboard that looked like all my other Amiga 500's?

Anyway, why would you want to know... so you don't have to open it! lol
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2013, 11:39:15 PM »
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I had a factory sealed Rev5 with a 1.2 ks, and a keyboard that looked like all my other Amiga 500's?
 
Anyway, why would you want to know... so you don't have to open it! lol

Do you know what the difference is between a rev 3 & rev 5 motherboard?
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2013, 06:24:33 AM »
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Do you know what the difference is between a rev 3 & rev 5 motherboard?

2? :banana:
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #39 on: April 21, 2015, 11:42:48 PM »
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2? :banana:

Get your math correct man. -2 not 2. :)
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #40 on: April 21, 2015, 11:48:42 PM »
Try x-raying the 500 from underneath.
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #41 on: April 22, 2015, 02:29:11 AM »
Did someone suggest using a heat gun and gently lifting the intact seal off before opening the case?  This is how it is done on the A4000D.
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #42 on: April 22, 2015, 02:59:38 AM »
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Did someone suggest using a heat gun and gently lifting the intact seal off before opening the case?  This is how it is done on the A4000D.

What about write a software?
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #43 on: April 22, 2015, 03:29:29 AM »
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What about write a software?

Good idea!  The software can then look inside at the revision silk screened on the board to see if an ACA500 will work!
 

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Re: Possible to determine A500 board revision without opening the case?
« Reply #44 on: April 22, 2015, 03:31:40 AM »
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Try x-raying the 500 from underneath.

Better yet, sprinkle some radioactive Cobalt-60 dust in there and shake it around and then use a Gamma camera to see what it says!