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Offline Oliver

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Re: Is it normal for an A500 power supply to hum?
« on: February 13, 2006, 02:00:44 PM »
Hi,

How are you discharging your power supply components?  Improper discharging can cause electric shock, burning, and component damage.  People often wear a pair of insulated gloves, and discharge the relavent nodes accross a 10MOhm (or so) high power resistor.  Make sure you leave sufficent time for current drain.  Some people have hooked up LED's to sense when this is complete, but it's really up to you, so long as you know you and your equipment are safe.

When you talk about handling your live transformer with bare skin, I am somewhat concerned for your safety.  Are you sure you know how to handle live electrical equipment?  There are often exposed mains terminals accessible to your touch, within power supplies.  I really wouldn't suggest servicing live equipment, unless you really know what you are doing, and it's really necessary.  If you absolutely must, then you should use proper safety equipment to do so.

For your power supply, it may be easier, and even cheaper, to replace the whole thing, than to replace the transformer.

The lighter power supply is a switch mode supply.  Transformers use Faraday's Law, and a ratio of wire turns, to accomplish a voltage step down.  Switch modes use frequent switching, and low pass filtering to average the voltage output.  Switch mode supplies are used a lot these days, but I seem to recall reading that the A500's switch mode supplies were less reliable, and had lower output than their alternative.  Not sure if that's true, just thought I'd mention it.

As a side note, a lot of old transformers actually used rust as the insulation between the laminations, as it was so cheap and easy to coat the steel plates, and the rust would also bond the plates together.  However, this was not very good for efficiency, or longevity.  I don't know when this was phased out, though I expect it's not current practice.

Some transformers actually whine/hum when they are new.  You can see this in some CRT TV's.  Aging monitors also suffer from this.
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Re: Is it normal for an A500 power supply to hum?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2006, 02:55:58 PM »
Whine/hum is never good in a transformer, and if it is increasing, then yes, the transformer is on the way out.  The mechanical vibration is a form of energy loss, and any rust between laminations also increases hysteresis loss.  

It is possible to test a PSU's output (this is done to rate a supply), but what is probably more of concern is the reliability of the device, which I can't help you with (this is a tricky area, and most people deal with it by destroying stuff once it starts to look a bit dodgy).  If you were to test the PSU's output for variable loads, and were able to show that it performed significantly worse than rated, then it would indicate a poor condition.  Apart from that, I don't know if I can really offer much help.

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No problem at all.  Happy to share.  I also like to mess around with whatever I can get my hands on, just to learn something.  I'm glad to know you are also doing so, safely.  ;-)

Good luck.
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Re: Is it normal for an A500 power supply to hum?
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2006, 10:11:02 AM »
You may not be able to find specs for that particular transformer.  You can try searching for its model number, manufacturer, or whatever.  I've seen a site with info on A500 power supply repair before, but that was some time ago.

The things to be aware of when replacing a transformer are secondary output voltages and current ratings.  The secondary voltages will then most likely be rectified, filtered, and regulated.  You should be able to find data sheets on the rectifier diodes, caps, regulators, etc., and you can work your way back to the sinusoidal voltage from there.  Do you understand RMS voltage ratings?

-Oli

edit- Your PSU may work acceptably well for some time to come.  You just have to judge how bad it will be if your machine eventually runs on lower than rated power, or experiences power failure(s).
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