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Re: Reporting pirates on eBay
« on: August 18, 2005, 06:27:44 PM »
"hurting the few remaining Amiga developers and retailers"
What????. In what manner is harming the amiga developers?. How many comercially games for the classic amiga are being developed lately? and i´m not saying about quakes or pc conversions, i refer to original amiga games. Well the answer is nothing. Those classic floppy games are long time shelf out of the shops and developers don´t care about them, indeed, they leave the amiga long time ago so copying these games isn´t hurting anyone. At the other end i think that if the copy of the games is sold for the cost of storage media, who cares?.

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In addition to this quote from someone on page1, which I generally agree with, lemme add a few things for you all to chew on...

1.  I am against software pirating, be that known first and foremost.

2.  I am also a semi-avid collector/enjoyer of my Amiga's, them currently being an A500 (with a bunch of addons) and an A2000 (also with a bunch of addons).  

For my 'era' of the Amiga, there were no CD-ROMS.  All games were distributed via 3.5 floppy.  My Amiga 500 and parts have been sitting until just this past few months, where I bought my A2k at a yard sale, and unearthed (dug out of the closets) all my A500 stuff.  This brings me to the next point.

3.  The "AVERAGE" lifespan of a floppy disc is 10 years.  

And I was quite pleased to see that 99% of my discs still work fine.  There were some, luckily nothing important right now, that in fact were bad.  Magnetic media, as used on a floppy again, has a 10 year lifespan.  The FIRST thing I've been working on doing is copying/cloning EVERY SINGLE DISC I OWN to ensure that they will continue 'living' on.  I paid for them, and I'll be damn certain that they continue working.  

That gets us to the gray area..  Selling them..  How would I, an average guy here, treat that auction?  Well, first off, I'm in luck because it's not a title I am looking for :)  However, if it were I'd look a a couple things.  First, his history..  Has he sold this game on ebay before?  Does he, in fact think he's a software publisher, copying and selling other people's works?  Has he done it in the past with other titles, and what were the conditions there?

I know this statement might not be popular.  HOWEVER.  Sometimes you are going to have to factor in real-life factors into the equation.  It's not like you can go out and buy the game in a legit way.  The pub. co. is gone, the software maker co. is gone.  Just because the "NAME" "AMIGA" is still in existance, means nothing.  It is not the same co. as it was, nor do they cater to "our day".  And, unless Amiga/Commodore Published the game, even they do not control the software made/sold/created for it.  So, weigh your factors.  How close till Ami software of that generation is public domain?  Is there anyone publishing the game so you can buy it?  How long has it been since the game was made/will the original media still work?

Practically every auction has a clause in it "worked last time I used it" or something similar, relating to the whole media age thing..  Why do you think that is.  In the blink of an eye your floppy which is possibly 20 years old could fail.  

If you (you, the general public reading this, not any one person in particular) are so set in your ways, and cannot possibly consider accepting someone selling copied media, remember how you feel on the day that you need your Workbench 2.x disks, only to find one o fthem bad.  Contact Commodore/Amiga for your replacement disk.  And let me know if you get one from them, because God knows I, or many other people will need them here in time to come.

The other "right" thing to do would be this.  Take it apon yourself to create a foundation which will/can legally buy the rights to all Amiga (Commodore era) games/programs.  Your foundation could then reproduce ALL sofrtware, legally.  And your foundation could then track down the programmers for all that software and give them their..  ..whatever it's called for actors and programmers after their product is out and checks continue to come in..  Word escapes me but you know what I mean..  That would be the ultimate thing to do.  Would certainly keep the Amiga era ALIVE and legal.  Yet, to my knowledge, no one has, or is doing that.  Someone needs to get hot on what could be a great idea.

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Re: Reporting pirates on eBay
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2005, 06:42:01 PM »
@Andreas

You are one of the people who my post does not quite fit.  Althoguh your site is German (I'm a silly American who knows little of other languages) I do belive when you said you make one product for the Amiga, you mean the newer ones.  

Even if that is not the case, and you do make product for the "classic Amigas" as some call them, keep in mind your company DOES in fact exist, and we CAN buy it from you.  As I mentioned, I refer to strictly companies who have dissolved/disappeared/left the scene way back when the Amiga "faded away".  Just clarifying that so that you understand. I in no way condone priacy.  What I do condone is the continuation of product.  I do not believe that someone's work should simply disappear from the face of the Earth just because the media cannot sustain it life.  I'm not saying it's right to take 1 copy (the original) and make 5000 copies and sell em.  But I am saying if you hold 1 legal copy, be it from ebay or the original company 20 years ago, no matter whether it's on original media or not, you retain the right to that software..  Which would include moving it to newer media to allow it to continue to work.  Until you sell it, of course, which then you would surrender your rights to the software.  If that makes any sense at all..

All that aside, legal questions for anyone out there who knows.  This topic got me curious.  How many years in fact must pass for software to become public domain, assuming the company did not set it so when they shutdown/closed?  And is there a list of such titles/companies anywhere?

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Re: Reporting pirates on eBay
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2005, 07:20:22 PM »
 >You are one of the people who my post does not quite fit. Althoguh your site is German (I'm a silly American who knows little of other languages) I do belive when you said you make one product for the Amiga, you mean the newer ones.

>hmm, when you dont click on the button "english".. yes, than is the page only in german :)

Ok, do this, and put on your English cap.  Click Englsih.  Now, click the first icon/picture you see, entitled "Ausgabe 55".(not English)  Yes, there is some English in the top text, but many of the buttons are what I assume is German.  (a side-side totally OT:  I love Settlers of Catan, a German-made (a company called Cosmos) makes it.  There is an American conversion, but it is not as good.  Anyway..  I do appologize for the snap comment on no English.  I just didn't research it enough ;(

I did look over your site more now..  I hit the first link originally just to see what it was you did real quick that you were sharing links to.  In fact, you seem to be the type of place to do exactly what I mentioned.  You are a publisher, yes?  Not specially a software house, programming games.  Why is it that no pub., like yourself, by chance, swoops in and gets the rights to all these "dead" games/programs?  I'd assume a decent amount of money could be made off it.  They could be released, on a need be basis by order and demand on floppy.  Has your company ever considered that, I mean, obviously they have, you ARE a publisher..  But what about something on a grander scale?  There are plenty of "classic Amiga" fans who'd line up at your eDoor!

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