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Re: Very hard to understand
« on: March 11, 2015, 02:10:11 AM »
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Thing is, I already know that.  However, if the community would gather under fewer umbrellas, it could change that.


Providing it's not the OS4 umbrella as you clearly don't like that one. Well, nothing like a nice bit of exclusivity to bring us all together right.
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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2015, 10:23:17 AM »
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OS4 has no future.  It's tied to expensive hardware, which it can barely support.  It makes no sense to spend $3000 just to run Hyperion's OS4 as it's not that impressive to begin with.   Once again, try to convince someone outside the Amiga cult-like mentality to buy a $3000 computer with 10+ year old technology to run an operating system like OS4 when they can buy a more useful and more powerful computer running Windows or MacOS for less than half that price.


You are of course entitled to your opinion. I don't give a fug what that opinion is of course as I'm op[en to all Amiga flavors. My point was you just can't say that we should all work together and then choose who to include like that. That's just a hypocrisy.

Oh, and as for making no sense to spend $3000 on a computer etc... Does it make sense to buy an IDE controller for $70 or a 50MHz CPU for hundreds? Certainly not to anyone outside the Amiga community you speak of. If you don't like OS4 or the X1000 just don't buy them. Just as you have a choice so does everyone else. Excluding sub-groups within the Amiga community does not help anyone, not MOS users, not AROS users, not OS4 users.
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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2015, 08:42:20 PM »
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Speaking of hypocrisy, how open were you to CUSA?  


That's no hypocrisy as CUSA never made any real Amiga products. Yeah they said they would support AROS but did they? I don't seem to recall them actually doing it. Nor do I recall them making any Amiga compatible ... well, anything. In fact all they did was use the Amiga name.

Oh, just for the record, from my own point of view I include all Amiga OS's from Commodore proper, Hyperion, the MorphOS team and the AROS guys, any Amiga emulators and any Amiga specific hardware from Catweasel  to the X1000 as "Amiga products". I'm not anti anyone who makes anything Amiga related but ripping the name to sell Atom based Linux boxes was just wrong.

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If A-Eon and Acube's sole reason for existing is to provide expensive computers with outdated technology to satisfy the fanatics in the community, they'll eventually cease to exist.


Well that's not really your problem now is it? If you are not interested in the products they make why does this even concern you? Now before you dig a big hole for yourself, some of those "fanatics in the community" are the very people who are doing real work developing Amiga software. All Amiga flavors benefit from porting between themselves. Without OS4 you will have less, not more.

If, as I suspect, you think we would achieve more by all getting behind one flavor in particular and maybe get some kind of mass appeal again then you are of course quite deluded. I've no doubt that we would all love to see any Amiga OS on top but it's not going to happen. Perhaps if someone had several hundred million and decided to build an FPGA memristor (mrFPGA) based home computer that used an Amigalike OS then perhaps that could happen but frankly I don't see any other tech out there that is radical enough to cut into the market place and re-establish the Amiga as a popular home platform oozing power and elegance other than that, so don't get your hopes up.
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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2015, 09:20:00 PM »
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Bankruptcy?


Hyperion Entertainment Cvba in Sint-Agatha-Berchem (Brussel) was declared bankrupt by the court in Brussel on 27-01-2015. The appointed curator is Bert Dehandschutter. The company number is 466380552.

If A-EON hasn't bought OS4 yet I'm sure they will so I doubt if this is any concern, more likely just a way of bill dodging.
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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2015, 01:20:07 AM »
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Neither did A-Eon.  .

Depends on how you look at it.

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CUSA's Amiga Mini was a quad-core 3.5 GHz Intel Core i7-2700K with 16 GB of DDR3 RAM, running a Linux operating system capable of emulating Amiga for $2,495 (lowered to $1,995 shortly after).  

Yup, overpriced and I can build the same model for less..... your point exactly?

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But I guess it's not a real Amiga to you unless it has an out of production 1.8Ghz dual core PA6T-1682M PowerPC processor, 4GB(Max) of DDR2 ram,  with Hyperion's OS4, a 32-bit OS running on a 64-bit system that can't even use the second core and that is about as real an Amiga as AROS, MorphOS, or anything else capable of emulating Amiga, for $3,000.

Oh, I see... so you don't consider AROS or MorphOS as Amiga's either. :/

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It's a problem for the community in general.  Amiga users would be better off supporting AROS...

Whoah there cowboy, I thought you didn't consider AROS machines to be Amigas..... try engaging your brain before you type.

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..than to set themselves up for failure and disappointment supporting another failed company using the Amiga trademark.

Oh you mean like CUSA.

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And when I say 'fanatics' I'm referring to brand worshipers who are the equivalent of the cult members that support Apple.

No no no no no... NO! Don't even start that rubbish with me. Just ask around the OS4 community, I doubt that you will find many who are OS4 only. That myth is an invention of those who are deluded enough into thinking that lumping an amigalike OS on top of existing mainstream hardware will somehow get Amigas back into homes without thinking through whether that device will really be an Amiga at all. People like CUSA.

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Do you think there would be a Haiku if BeOS was still around?

I don't care, the comparison is moot, this is the Amiga market not the BeOS one.

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I don't expect any 'Amiga' OS to be on top.  I expect us to be better than we currently are.

How long are you willing to wait for that? LMFAO.

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If you don't have a radical technology you need an innovative solution.


I'm a designer, I look forward to hearing your innovative solution.

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You want Amiga back in the home?

I got a few already, as for the mass market I couldn't give a flying...

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With the right operating system and a single-board computer running an ARM processor (think Raspberry Pi only better), you could create a multimedia set-top-box that could function as both a game console and a video streaming device and that could even be built by the user or sold for less than $100.

.......yeesss....It's called a Steam box. What was your innovative solution again?
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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2015, 01:55:18 AM »
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nothing wrong with calling things by name. aros is not amiga. its aros. it may though be used on an amiga and its worth support.


Ssshhhh! Stop spoiling my fun. XD

But seriously, I consider AROS, MorphOS and OS4 all as Amiga derivatives and all worthy of support if you are interested in them. I'm not against any of them
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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2015, 07:57:52 PM »
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It's overpriced, emulates Amiga, and yet is still more powerful and cheaper than the X1000.  And unlike the X1000 it isn't running a processor with a dead end road map.  


Overpriced depends on how much it cost to make but it is more than I would pay (or you obviously). However I have no issues with others buying it or indeed with it's very existence.

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I said OS4 is about as much an Amiga as AROS and MorphOS.   They're derivatives of Amiga, just like OS4, that have been around longer but don't get the same respect from some people in the community because they're not carrying the Amiga name and currently being sold with $3,000 computers running off of 10+ year old technology.


Yes, they are all derivatives, I used that word too and it's a fair thing to say. As for AROS and MorphOS not getting as much respect, I must disagree. I have a great deal of respect for such efforts and I think many others do too. By the way, MorphOS hardware is a bit dead-end too, not an immediate problem but one that will need addressing. Do you really think OS4 gets more respect? It's got a fair few haters too I'de say.


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I said Amiga users would be better off not setting themselves  up for failure and disappointment supporting another failed company  using the Amiga trademark.  Yes, that would include CUSA.  However, CUSA never had much support from the community and just like A-Eon, ACube, and Hyperion ...Amiga, Inc. and Bill McEwen still profited off of them through licensing fees.


Oh I see. Well yes I'm sure they did, sadly Amiga Inc. don't seem to care who they licence as we all know . I must admit we are often let down by the promises of companies using the Amiga name but OS4 is as legitimate an Amiga derivative as MorphOS and the X1000 is at least an attempt at new hardware for said OS even if it is pricey.


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So does that make AROS running on an x86 or MorphOS running on a Power Mac less Amiga for not running on an expensive $3,000 computer using an out-of-production PowerPC processor?


No, never said it did. In fact if CUSA had actually supplied all their "Amigas" with AROS from the start they may well have been received very differently.

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 What makes a computer using an ATX motherboard, PC power supply, and a PowerPC processor an Amiga device when Commodore never produced a single PowerPC based Amiga?


No, but (as you well know, or should) PPC hardware came onto the Amiga scene before the demise of Commodore (though not by much) and was well received at the time. The Blizzard PPC boards received rave reviews at the time. I get kind of sick of these sort of comments, I remember those days and PPC was seen as a natural path that gave Amiga users a huge power boost. Commodore may not have made a PPC Machine but they did allow others to make PPC accelerators and a lot of people at the time expected the Amiga to go in that direction.

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Of course you don't.  You just expect a company to put money into research and development to design a computer using a processor with a dead end road map that they can't mass-produce all so you can feel like you own the latest Amiga device.


Not at all, I expect nothing but the Amiga to suffer a slow and painful death, sad as that is. I HOPE that this will not be the case. As for owning the latest Amiga device... that's not me at all. I just don't have the problem with others doing it that you clearly do. For the record I'de buy a SAM over an X1000 any day and I haven't done that yet as I have other far more important things to buy (A 3D printer and a laser cutter for a start).

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No, it's a video game console for homebrew development.  A Steam Box is a line of computers being made by Valve that will include either their Stream client or StreamOS, and be released sometime around the end of 2015.


I assure you I am well aware of what a Steam box is, I have over 150 games on Steam and growing by the week. My point still stands however, I cannot see any serious in-roads into the home for the Amiga anytime soon and I see no reason at all why a video game console for homebrew would really make a difference. There are plenty of homebrew kits for existing consoles already, what is your unique selling point?

IMHO I think Natami was the most interesting project for a long time (hardware wise). Sadly .. well I'm sure you know that's not looking at all likely now.

Let's be honest, as things currently stand the Amiga is a small hobby market and nothing more, It's unlikely to ever be anything more again. Like so many others who own genuine Commodore machines and remember those halcyon days this breaks my heart.

I will say this though, I seriously think AROS will outlast all the other Amigalikes in the end but either way the choice yours to make. Yours, mine and any other Amigan. I'm OK with that, I wish all Amiga derivatives luck for the future and that includes OS4. As for X1000, well if you don't like it don't buy it but don't hate on others who do, it's their cash.
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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #7 on: March 13, 2015, 02:48:00 AM »
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Try to run homebrew on a PS3, Xbox 360, Wii, PS2, Gamecube, Xbox,...etc without hacking it.  They're closed devices that don't support homebrew out of the box.  


Errrr... you don't know me too well do you? LMAO. ALL my consoles (NGC, Original XBox and WII) are hacked. Viper Chip, X-Ecutor 3, Letterbomb respectively. My Dreamcast has a boot disk for homebrew and even my N64 that I sold had an V64 Doctor. I've hacked, modded or Jailbroken everthing I own. The only exception is the PS3 as it's actually my daughters and they (I have twins) just don't use it anymore since they started playing Skyrim on the PC.

...hmm, come to think of it I've not done my Kindle yet, I've been rather busy lately.

But OK, I take your point. So I ask you this instead. Why would I buy your design over OUYA , Uzebox, Caanoo, Pandora, nD or even Minimig, FPGA Arcade or Raspberry Pi?
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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2015, 06:27:09 PM »
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O_o What's TMHTG?


Probably the most fanatical Morph OS fanboy ever. I'll say no more.
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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2015, 01:31:23 PM »
Quote from: klx300r;786376
well let's just say I'm honestly worried about him...very very odd not to have him 'visit' every single thread that has a slight tint of Amiga OS4.x in it.

@ Oldsmobile_Mike & danbeaver & Tripitaka

I know I know but honestly I miss him like the sheep dog misses the coyote:)


I honestly think that most "heated" debates on A.org are between people whom if they had met face to face would have a great chat about a commonly shared interest over a pint or two. He was the ONLY person ever on A.org to genuinely annoy me.

@ klx300r.... ..I think you may have a touch of masochism going on there buddy. :P
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Re: Very hard to understand
« Reply #10 on: March 17, 2015, 12:39:29 AM »
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@ Tripitaka

I think you've got your 'definition' confused there mate:lol:

Let me clarify the reference for the youngins here & for those unfortunate souls that never got the chance to watch Saturday morning cartoons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_u3YRZb74w


Thank you, I've had an awful day and that made me laugh. XD
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