Genesi: More Details about STBs, Pegasos I, and OS4

[gary_c]

Alkemyst, when you post something like this, you know you're just going to stir up trouble. Bill Buck's post was a reply to a series of other people's posts and it really has to be read in that context. (For example, Ben brought up Bill's past and questioned his qualifications to run a company. Knowing that makes a difference in how Bill's post come across, doesn't it.) If people read Bill's words first, then he really does seem like a crazy person and it's no wonder people here are reacting the way they are. But knowing the whole story makes all the difference.

You may have given the link at ann.lu, but most people are going to read his words, form an impression, and then maybe go to ann.lu to read through the long thread to see why he wrote what he did. By then the damage is done, and your mission is accomplished.

Bill Buck shoots from the hip, but as far as I know what he has said is consistent with the facts. You did a very mean-spirited thing here by trying to manipulate people's reactions with this post.

As for Ben's response here, it isn't consistent with what he wrote at ann.lu (if anyone wants to check that out), so the good guys and bad guys in this are not quite as clear as most people here would like to think.

-- gary_c

[gary_c]

HyperionMP wrote:

In what way isn't this consistent?

I reread your post at ann.lu and now see that I was wrong, saying your words were inconsistent. I apologize for my mistake.

My other point, that Bill Buck posted his words in response to your calling him "a former army captains without any academic background" still stands, I believe.

--gary_c

[gary_c]

Alkemyst wrote:

I see you defending BB more and more no matter what.

That isn't true at all. I think a more careful look at what I've written here and there will show that I sometimes chime in when I think there's a good reason to say something. But I'm not going to sacrifice my good sense to defend anyone or anything when there's no grounds for it. I'm not on Genesi's payroll, and I'm involved in Phoenix as a volunteer, so I have nothing to gain by destroying my own credibility in talks like these.

So i will not waste time giving you reasons.
As you will go on & on anyway.

A more likely explanation for you not giving me reasons is that it's hard to explain something like your out-of-context post. I only go on and on when there's still something to be said. In other words, you're copping out by trying to label me instead of responding to my points.

-- gary_c

[gary_c]

Madgun wrote:

I doubt he would have received that comment had he not made that crack about Ben being a law clerk.

Sure, Ben was provoked, but he was happy enough to reply on the same low level, showing both ignorance about his "opponent" and the willingness to try to smear. So, uh, who are the good guys and bad guys, again? It's great to see these people participating in the forums, but both Ben and Bill have rather spotty records in terms of appropriateness in what they say. So it comes down to: if he's on "your side," he's proven once again what a bad guy he is; if he's on "my side" he was provoked by that other guy. It's a circus in any case.

-- gary_c

[gary_c]

MikeB wrote:

It is disappointing to see that people like you and Greenboy are opting to play more and more to be the Devil's advocate, or unknowingly are being taken advantage of by Mr. Buck for his own purposes.

Well, being Devil's advocate is sometimes a good thing, and fun, but that's not my motivation in this situation, or greenboy's. And we've both got our eyes open; no one is being taken advantage of unknowingly. The thing is, Genesi offers an opportunity for Phoenix members (a certain interested subset, I should clarify) that Amiga, Inc. just didn't, and doesn't. I don't condone everything Bill Buck does, or maybe the way he does it, but the fact is that he represents a real chance for developers, and his energy and committment to furthering the platform are undeniable. As far as style is concerned, there's an ongoing learning process, too. And how Genesi and Phoenix work together, how things are presented, etc. are evolving, hopefully improving. In any case, things are happening now with Phoenix, and with people who want to get involved, things that went nowhere when Amiga, Inc. was approached for the same purpose.

-- gary_c

[gary_c]

sgm wrote:

would you please answer to this direct question?

If you read Bill Buck's words directly, you can see that there is nothing wrong with what he did. He wrote: "Hyperion does not have an office. He [Ben] has a 'day job.' Maybe someone could email us a mobile number?" So Bill Buck was asking if anyone had a phone number for Ben that they would email (private communication) to him. Yes, this is normal business practice, and nothing improper. "I want to get in touch with xxx, I don't have a phone number for him. Do you?" There's nothing wrong with that, is there? Bill Buck wasn't asking that Ben Hermans' number be posted publically, or anything like that. Actually he might have just been trying to make the point that Hyperion hadn't contacted Genesi about a Pegasos, and sort of trying to put a twist on that. But nothing improper, no.

-- gary_c

[gary_c]

Ryu wrote:

what a jerk

Haven't people caught on by now that Bill Buck likes to push buttons when he knows he can get a good reaction? It's not a very attractive game, but everybody getting all huffy and self-righteous just means all the players are here and ready to play their positions. ;-) In the meantime Bill Buck has a product that's selling and the attitude that he gains more from the controversy than he loses from ruffling people's feathers. If you react, you're playing his game; or you can sit it out.

-- gary_c

[gary_c]

Alkemyst wrote:

As i already knew no matter what is said Gary-c will go on & on.

And again Alkemyst will talk about me rather than the points I made. That's OK: silence sometimes says a lot.

-- gary_c

[gary_c]

Alkemyst wrote:

I dont respond to the points you make cos they are just excuses for BB & i have no time for such rubbish.

I think you're sore because I accused you of trying to stir up trouble by posting Bill Buck's comments here. It has nothing to do with the merits of my specific points, which you haven't talked about.

Even JonnaK has the guts to say so with BB lastest comment.

JoannaK does speak her mind, to her credit. I've also made it clear I don't agree with every what and how of Bill Buck's posts here (look back up the thread again if you don't believe me), but that doesn't blind me to what he's doing with Genesi, etc.

But because of your connection to phoenix & thus to genesi you wont.

I won't? Sorry to disappoint you, but I've got my own opinions. An organization of yes men is pretty worthless, which everyone involved there realizes.

I will reply to others whos comments are worthy.

As you please. A lot of people here are making good comments that deserve a reply. I'm afraid I may respond to your posts regardless, but I'll understand if you can't or don't want to follow up.

-- gary_c

[gary_c]

catohagen wrote:

probably the mos coders
i cant imagine amiga/os4 users cracking their
own os...

Of course not. The Amiga platform has always been totally free of piracy. Everyone knows that. ;-)

You guys are missing the point. Bill Buck isn't trying to encourage cracking AmigaOS's dongle. He's just stating what a lot of people have been saying for months now, and something that's probably true: sooner or later, and probably sooner, AmigaOS will be running on the Pegasos MB, via some aftermarket tinkering. His point is, since this may well happen anyway, why not beat the pirates to it by offering a shrinkwrapped/downloadable AOS4 for Pegasos? Then Hyperion and Amiga, Inc. could profit from increased sales. He's made the offer, but no response from Hyperion.

-- gary_c