Awareness by classic Amiga users about modern Amiga's?

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Tell these same people that these "modern Amigas" don't run any of their old games, are provided as little more than an old Motherboard, but costs more than a modern Laptop...  and they lose interest.

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Astral wrote:

bloodline wrote:
Tell these same people that these "modern Amigas" don't run any of their old games, are provided as little more than an old Motherboard, but costs more than a modern Laptop...  and they lose interest.

Lose interest? Maybe yes, but this is not gauranteeed. This is where marketing may help.

Anything can be sold with the right marketing. Check Nintedo technology out - is that up to date technology? Gameboy's? Wii? Are they/were they worth their asking price with respect to production costs? Probably not - a large percentage of users probably have never given a thought to the underlying technology, and don't care a bit. The end result is what matters - sales, a user base, and hence potential growth for the future. Something doesn't have to be ground breaking to be successful.

Can you come up with anything you could tell old Amiga users, and potential new Amiga users, that would get them interested in "new Amiga's", that would contribute to the growth of the "Amiga"?

The purpose of any platform is to run software... When a new platform arrives it needs to offer more, much more, than the existing platforms... If it doesn't, it is illogical to move to it.

The Amiga platform offers antiquated technology when compared with a wintel box running Win Vista or an OSX mac or any of the games consoles...

The Amiga platform does have a software legacy, but this is either games on floppy (a very dead format) that require special hardware and better run on Emulators or producivity software that is 15years behind the free software I can get on modern systems.  

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EyeAm wrote:

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Tell these same people that these "modern Amigas" don't run any of their old games, are provided as little more than an old Motherboard, but costs more than a modern Laptop... and they lose interest.

With good reason, they lose interest. :-)

An Amiga OS atop a rewritten Exec (exokernel!) can facilitate 100% backward compatibility with every single Amiga software program there ever was. You'd need either a CPU library, if you were going to emulate the custom chips, or a hardware card like Jens Schoenfeld's Clone-A, I guess, present in a PCI slot--with the OS routing the calls to what's appropriate.

With this paragraph, you have shown your ignorance of Operating system design!

Think for a second, why is the complex mess you propose, better than UAE running on Linux?

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EyeAm wrote:

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With this paragraph, you have shown your ignorance of Operating system design!

Think for a second, why is the complex mess you propose, better than UAE running on Linux?

Because Linux sucks. :-) And so does UAE. Both too complex for their own good.

Both are perfect at their respective jobs!

There's too much in the Amiga OS's kernel that simply does not need to be there--move it to user level, leave the kernel as small as possible. Write the kernel in asm for speed, and leave the abstraction for everything above it, in C. Porting to different hardware, you'd only need to rewrite the kernel then.

AmigaOS doesn't really have a Kernel... Almost everything runs in UserMode and there is no Operating system Application separation... everything lives together.

Learn about how AmigaOS works before you comment on it!

But, why bother? All the Amiga programmers are doing it all right and correct--that is why Amiga flies high and is a stellar success, right? :-D It's not going ANYwhere the way they're doing it. And too many egos and stand-offs are in the way for REAL creativity and innovation. It's going to take an ugly revolution to shake that loose.  :lol:

The Amiga has passed from relevance... enjoy it for its strengths...

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EyeAm wrote:

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Both are perfect at their respective jobs!

If it's Linux's job to ruin data, I agree. But, no, I'll stick with what I said about them. Linux definitely sucks. I'm run it; it ruined some of my data; it sucks.

That is a problem with the user not the software.

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AmigaOS doesn't really have a Kernel... Almost everything runs in UserMode and there is no Operating system Application separation... everything lives together.

Amiga OS does have a kernel. In the strictest sense, it most certainly does. It still leaves modules tied to it from the System. You very well cannot change those on-the-fly now, can you? No.

I have no idea what you mean... I can swap out libraries if I want... I can even patch libraries that are still in use with SetFunction()

However, among the most notable OSes--Amiga, MAC, Linux, Unix, Windows--Amiga is the *closest* to an exokernel design than any of them. Which gives it the greatest potential in these times when monolithic and microkernel forms need to evolve. It's one of the reasons it is still relevant and 'venture capital' worthy. Just that some things have to change to shape it up before it ships out.

If the design had any merit it would be in widespread use now. It has been proven that Hybrid Monolithic/Microkernel designs are the more efficient.

AmigaOS is sort of a microkernel... but not really in the strictest sense... it's a weird beast, and one that due to security requirements (and the need for SMP) of modern systems can't exist in a modern world.

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Learn about how AmigaOS works before you comment on it!

Don't make this personal. And don't assume; you know what they say about assuming. :lol:

If we were talking about fitting a new gearbox to a 1991 mazda MX-5... and then I started talking about calibrating the flux capacitor and adjusting the dilithium injector coils... you'd have a pretty good idea I didn't know what I was talking about.

From your comments I can see this is true of your understanding of AmigaOS.

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The Amiga has passed from relevance... enjoy it for its strengths...

Yeah, currently. Like I said in the poll thread, it's DEAD. :-)

Agreed.

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Astral wrote:
Like stated previously...

"The aim of this thread is to get an idea of the steps people believe need to be taken to go forward, not stay in the past, or stay in the present."

If you don't believe the "Amiga" can go forward, or want to discuss other specifics, please take it elsewhere.

It is a public forum, if you don't agree with my views, then provide a clear argument against me. I refuse to take part in an ego stroking contest...

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Astral wrote:

bloodline wrote:

Astral wrote:
Like stated previously...

"The aim of this thread is to get an idea of the steps people believe need to be taken to go forward, not stay in the past, or stay in the present."

If you don't believe the "Amiga" can go forward, or want to discuss other specifics, please take it elsewhere.

It is a public forum, if you don't agree with my views, then provide a clear argument against me. I refuse to take part in an ego stroking contest...

As I stated..."The aim of this thread is to get an idea of the steps people believe need to be taken to go forward, not stay in the past, or stay in the present."

If you don't believe the "Amiga" can go forward, or want to discuss other specifics, please take it elsewhere."

If an argument can't be put forward to counter my comments, then your thread is dead in the water... and of little value.

This is not a criticism but a fact.