POLL: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?

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DEAD

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orb85750 wrote:
For those voting DEAD who ALSO are heavy users of Amiga.org, can you provide a justification?  Why devote so much time here?  

Just because the platform is dead, that doesn't stop me enjoying using it or lessen my knowledge and experience of it!

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quarkx wrote:
until the average grandmother has heard of Amiga, its dead to 99% of the world.

It is worse than that... I'm dating a 20 year old, even the most geeky of her friends (some of whom are as old as 24) have no knowledge of the Amiga. The Amiga has passed out of living memory of the computer generation. The Amiga is dead...

I showed some of these youngsters my A1200 running, I got blank faces... And the odd comment that it looks a bit like Window95 but "flatter"...

This is the reality of Amiga.

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@orb

No, the Amiga is a dead platform. There is no more development. It is technically static. Individual Computers make hardware that allws us to use the existing platform with modern technologies as the older ones disapear... This is just, for want of a better word, life-support... It is not driving the platform forward.

Protools NLE audio system is an example of niche, only a very small customer base and limited appeal... But the system is being developed, it is advancing... And in fact helping to drive the NLE Market forward... (note: I'm actually a Logic Pro 8 guy ;-))

The Amiga platform competes with nothing, is stuck with old technology and old concepts. In 10 years the Amiga will still be just the same... In 10 years Protools will be far in advance of what we have now!  

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HenryCase wrote:

the_leander wrote:

HenryCase wrote:
No more development? OS4, MOS2, AROS, Anubis, Natami, Minimig, OWB, Hollywood, Cinammon Writer, etc...

OS4 development continues? Since when? Last I heard AROS was all but dead due to infighting between those wanting a direct 3.1 compatable OS replacement and those wanting to modernise the OS. Minimig is a nice way of continuing to play old games on new hardware - which is what Bloodline was getting at when he described it as life support. NatAmi... Until it ships I will place it in the same drawer as the coldfire accelerator project, the Abox, BoXeR and all the other stuff.

You seem a bit behind the times old bean, and have clearly missed out mentioning certain projects that are more than just life-support.

Work on AROS continues (never stopped in fact), same with OS4 (Evidence of this? The OS4.1 release, the Pegasos2 release, points made by Hyperion on AW.net). Also, in what way does OWB not modernise the Amiga experience (remember, modernising != modern)? Anubis is the most modernising development the Amiga community has seen in years. I could go on.

Like I said before, progress may be slow, but to say it has stopped is inaccurate.

OS4, MOS and even my beloved AROS are nothing more than trying to give us what we already had 15 years ago... but on more modern hardware, so we can keep it with us.

This is not progress, this is life-support at best... nostalgia at worst.

The Amiga is a dead computing platform... if we want our community to survive then we need to focus on what is really important... without the delusion of grandeur that plagues the ranks.

For me, the prefect system would be a 68k AROS based AGA clone in an FPGA (Like a minimig but with AGA...)... that would be a nice system to have... Thus I await whatever Jens has planned with the CloneA project.

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amigadave wrote:
bloodline wrote:

OS4, MOS and even my beloved AROS are nothing more than trying to give us what we already had 15 years ago... but on more modern hardware, so we can keep it with us.

So you think there are no new features, functions, or capabilities in AmigaOS4.x, or MorphOS, beyond what was available in AmigaOS3.1?  I think the developers of those two OSes would disagree, as well as the 800 to 1,200 users (guesstimate).  Do you own and use an AmigaOS4.x, or MorphOS computer?

Do these features take those systems even close to a £199 PC from curries? No. This is not progress... It is life-support... progress would be taking the Amiga platform beyond what is standard in the rest of the market, that would be a compelling reason to develop for the platform and the platform would be alive.

This is not progress, this is life-support at best... nostalgia at worst.

The Amiga is a dead computing platform... if we want our community to survive then we need to focus on what is really important... without the delusion of grandeur that plagues the ranks.

The delusions of grandeur for the Amiga are limited to a few dozen at most, and not the majority of the remaining Amiga owners that still enjoy using their old or new Amiga computers and I don't even want to get into a discussion about "what is really important....." on a computer forum, but since you put it out there, why don't you try to explain (in your opinion) "what is really important........" to help our Amiga community survive?

Our community only has one generation left now, so lets just enjoy it :-) in 10 years the Amiga will be a footnote in history books.

For me, the prefect system would be a 68k AROS based AGA clone in an FPGA (Like a minimig but with AGA...)... that would be a nice system to have... Thus I await whatever Jens has planned with the CloneA project.

To each, their own.  I am a bit more interested in seeing what can be accomplished by the NatAmi team than I am in a 68k AROS AGA clone.  I think the NatAmi team has its sights set at a much higher goal as their target, and even if they do not reach all the way to their objectives, I think they will produce something better than a 68060 based Amiga with just the standard AGA capabilities.

Even the most whizz-bang Natami vaporware (i.e. the most amazing system they can dream up) will not be as good as that £199 PC I mentioned earlier...

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@amigadave

I find it hard to take anything personal on something as impersonal as an Internet forum!

I sound repetitive because people don't seem to understand what I am saying!

Progress would be an Amiga platform that is twice as powerful as that £199 PC but at the same price or cheaper! At the moment we are playing catch up... And catch up that is one 8th the performance at three times the price!

We will only ever play catch up now... We can't compete with the mega-budgets... :-)

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Karlos wrote:

Karlos wrote:
Q: Which word, in your opinion, best describes AMIGA today?

A: Pancakes!

So, nobody remembers that? There was a time when every poll had a pancakes option.

I feel old now :-(

Are you sure? I don't remember that? Hmmm....

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@amigadave

I'm not arguing that the Amiga Comunity is dead... It isn't, it is weird, fractured and quite possibly insane.. But not dead.

The Amiga Platform is dead.

I agree with the poster who said Eyeam only returned to Troll... Vague bit provocative statements are the giveaway. It has been so long since anyone bothered I guess I must have forgotten the signs :-)