New AmigaOS???

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TheCyberCo wrote:
OK, why does everybody call it a "new OS", if it is Linux based?

Linux is a Kernel not an OS.

Take the kernel add some gadgets, an intuition.lib, some old-styled amiga like window handling and name it "Amiga inspired" and therefore remove power from other well-running projects...?

AmigaOS has one major limitation, the Kernel. The AmigaOS Kernel was designed to run on a 7Mhz CPU with only 512K of RAM, in order to do that the designers had to make many design decisions... The most serious which is the pervasive use of Pointer passing between tasks. This imposes a massive limitation as to how to implement modern memory management (to increase security, stability and allow multiple CPU support). Due to this implementing a complete POSIX environment in AmigaOS is not possible... and since 99% of Open source software (OpenOffice, Mozilla, etc...) need such an environment, you will never see them on AmigaOS.

You could design a new Kernel for AmigaOS... but that would take a long time, be incompatible with the old kernel, be full of bugs, untested, unproven and more to the point just; like any other modern Kernel except without hardware support.

The solution, take a mature Kernel which already has good hardware support and use that instead. Job done, now lets make our OS how we want it.

OK, time may show, but I do not like Linux, so why should I like Anubis?

Give it time, you may never like it.

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uncharted wrote:
Putting aside my amusement at this development after the postal beatings I got from certain members of the AROS community a couple of months ago regarding the direction of AROS and forking...

Well Anubis isn't a fork... Though I will do my best to ensure that any useable AROS code will make it into the project. How much is usable remains to be seen.

My only beef with the Linux kernal itself is the sometimes pain-in-the-arse way it deals with drivers.  Having as many drivers available as is possible is all well and good, but if your have to go through hell and back to get them working (or in some cases not) then it takes a bit of the shine away.

I agree, which is why I dumped Linux long ago... Anubis doesn't have to be so difficult.

I'm looking at this project with much interest.  I have a Linux/X-Amiga box here ready and waiting to give it a go.  The main concern I have is if too much GNU (as in Linux/GNU not the GPL) stuff creeps in and it loses some of that amiganess.  Other OS projects seem to be unable to withstand the urge to become yet-another-Linux.  Only time will tell.

Yup, let the project roll along for a bit and see how it works out :-)

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Kronos wrote:
Just to make matters even, lets hear from a well known blue troll  :ranting:

Back in the 1st A.org-thread about this dammy claimed that he believed he could be useing anubis as his main OS pretty soon, suggesting it would be a user-OS instead of another research-OS.

This brings up one question, where will the apps come from ?

Same problem AROS has... and to be fair the same problem ALL AmigaOS clones have...

If the do Amiga-like APIs they will face a even thouger challenge then with AROS, cos it wouldn't be matter of "recompile&fix" anymore.

Could just run AROS hosted on it... best of both worlds then.

If they port over Nix-APIs there won't be much Amiganess left, and it would be just another Nix_that_is_not_Linux_proper.... and probraly a crappy one at that.

Not really sure what constitutes Amiganess anymore... The feeling I get when I fire up UAE or my Real Miggies... and then remember how bad we actually had it back in the old days...

For serious work not a lot is going to tear me from my OSX boxes...

Lets see how they plan to cut that gordian-knot ....

That's really where it's at... let's just see how it goes. :-)

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uncharted wrote:

bloodline wrote:

Not really sure what constitutes Amiganess anymore... The feeling I get when I fire up UAE or my Real Miggies... and then remember how bad we actually had it back in the old days...

Yeah, right on Brother - those Amigas were a nightmare.  I'm glad I have nothing more to do with those...oh wait... :roll:

Time marches on, it brings improvements and new problems.  We can do more now, we can do things far faster and far prettier, but does that mean that we were badly off back then? Of course not.

Hahaha, my point was that it's difficult to define Amiganess... I don't think the irony really came through in my post...


We (as in all computer users) had it bad in the old days... no matter what system you used...

Looking at the Dock on my MacBook it's not far off what my Dock on my A1200 had when it was still my main machine, probably the most notable exception being Eclipse.

Good old OSX :-)

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Atheist wrote:

paolone wrote:

What I ask to those people is just to stop pretending anyone else should agree with them: time for classic Amiga has finished, like it happened for C64, Atari ST, Windows 3.1 and many, many others. A platform to survive must evolve. No evolution, no party.

Not true paolone, because an A1200 in an Amiga Fantasy case in a RELATIVE PRICE to today's HW WOULD sell in the millions. (Say, ~$140 US plus tax including HD and built in 56K modem, ethernet and cable modem.)

You wouldn't be able to sell more than 10... Who even uses dialup anymore? I can't remember the last time I saw an ISP offering dialup!!!

Of course, the CPU would have to be a 68060 @100MHz with MMU and FPU (that's not new evolved tech) and have full ram, say 1 Gig and 2 Meg chip. I'm assuming here your "no evolution".

My Mobile Phone has a more powerful CPU, More powerful GFX (including 3D), better Audio and MANY MANY MANY more apps an games... Oh yeah and it has an always on Broadband connection... it cost £150...

Which would you buy? The Crappy A1200, 15 years out of date... or the Mobile Phone that I have?

But hey, we've actually WON, there's NatAmi!!!!!

Sorry... where can I buy this NatAmi? What makes it better than the cheapest x86box I can buy for £80?

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hbarcellos wrote:
Sorry to interrupt this high level and philosophical discussion, but, I was away for a while, doing some work for another vintage platform, but what is Anubis?

A Linux based OS that runs on regular X86's, have binary 68k compatibility by using UAE engine, Amiga style windows, intuition libraries and yet capable of running modern firefox, open office and etc... on my main PC???

There's someone fighting against it?? I want it!!!

The most sensible thing said in this thread :-)

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Atheist wrote:

bloodline wrote:

My Mobile Phone has a more powerful CPU, More powerful GFX (including 3D), better Audio and MANY MANY MANY more apps an games... Oh yeah and it has an always on Broadband connection... it cost £150...

Which would you buy? The Crappy A1200, 15 years out of date... or the Mobile Phone that I have?

Hi bloodline,

I know you asked me first, but answer me this; how is it that you're not a troll with comments such as these?

Look back any my post history... Feel free to report me to the mods of you feel I'm trolling :-)

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Atheist wrote:

bloodline wrote:

My Mobile Phone has a more powerful CPU, More powerful GFX (including 3D), better Audio and MANY MANY MANY more apps an games... Oh yeah and it has an always on Broadband connection... it cost £150...

And is there ANYTHING on it comparable to the ease of use of AMOS Professional & compiler?

So, the answer to your question is the same as the answer to mine.

Yeah, the Apple iPhone SDK... Of if you don't have an iPhone, then any modern phone will support Java...

I can't think of a smart phone that doesn't support ECMA scripting, and that is way easier to learn than AMOS basic, even if the Document Object Model takes a while to get used to...

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drHirudo wrote:

My Mobile Phone has a more powerful CPU, More powerful GFX (including 3D), better Audio and MANY MANY MANY more apps an games... Oh yeah and it has an always on Broadband connection... it cost £150...

Which would you buy? The Crappy A1200, 15 years out of date... or the Mobile Phone that I have?

Did you type all this from your Mobile Phone? Do you enjoy typing long post on Mobile Phone? Did you enjoy surfing on Mobile Phone? Do you play Chaos Engine and Sensible Soccer on your mobile phone?
I know I don't. And for Amiga.org browse I prefer my crappy A1200 over your mobile phone. Mobile Phone is good for talking, but not good for surfing. Got the point?

Did I mention I'm using an iPhone? So yes to all those questions... Well not the retro gaming ones... I have real 3D games and other useful applications so I'm happy :-D

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Atheist wrote:
Hi bloodline,

People come here for a good time. I don't think they're getting their money's worth when you sit here calling Amiga 1200s, that they may have spent $500 to get on ebay, a piece of crap.

I have a whole bunch of real Amigas... Including an A1200 with 240mhz PPC and Bvision... I can call it what I like.

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Atheist wrote:
Java is NOT easy!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Unless they've rewritten the syntax from scratch!)

Depends upon your aptitude for programming it's no harder than learning AMOS Basic + AMAL. I don't much like Java, so i dont use it... The iphone doesnt support it any way... but You would have to have suffered a serious head injury to find ECMA scripts difficult!

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Atheist wrote:

bloodline wrote:

Atheist wrote:
Hi bloodline,

People come here for a good time. I don't think they're getting their money's worth when you sit here calling Amiga 1200s, that they may have spent $500 to get on ebay, a piece of crap.

I have a whole bunch of real Amigas... Including an A1200 with 240mhz PPC and Bvision... I can call it what I like.

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I fail to see what you are frustrated about... You are the one who stated that an A1200 with a dialup modem and a CPU slower than my mobile phone would sell millions... That sort of thing is strange thinking!

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hbarcellos wrote:

bloodline wrote:

hbarcellos wrote:
Sorry to interrupt this high level and philosophical discussion, but, I was away for a while, doing some work for another vintage platform, but what is Anubis?

A Linux based OS that runs on regular X86's, have binary 68k compatibility by using UAE engine, Amiga style windows, intuition libraries and yet capable of running modern firefox, open office and etc... on my main PC???

There's someone fighting against it?? I want it!!!

The most sensible thing said in this thread :-)

Thanks. But... I'm still trying to find something about Anubis other than a jackal-headed god.
Anyone can PLZ point me to a web-site or forum post explaining more details about the project??

You'll need to be patient :-) the details are still being worked out, but I assure you there will be plenty of info in the not to distant future!

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Atheist wrote:

bloodline wrote:

I fail to see what you are frustrated about... You are the one who stated that an A1200 with a dialup modem and a CPU slower than my mobile phone would sell millions... That sort of thing is strange thinking!

bloodline, what was I thinking? You've convinced me, Amiga 1200s are useless.

To the first moderator that reads this, please close down my account.

While I do feel guilty for scaring Atheist with logic and reason... do I win a prize for getting rid of him?

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niklasni1 wrote:

Atheist wrote:
Java is NOT easy!!!!!!!!!!!!

(Unless they've rewritten the syntax from scratch!)

It's fine if you're not completely thick.

So I see why you might have a problem.

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Bloodline - didn't know you were involved in this Anubis stuff. Is there a mailing list for updates? It sounds rather exciting.

Wander over to sourceforge and look for the "ARIX" project... from there you can sign up to the Dev list.

At the moment we are really waiting on the first proposals from Hogne and Michal... but already we are debating the various component designs, and how best to ensure an Amiga familiar experience.