Amiga technology and patents ownership ?

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Waccoon wrote:

Anyone:  Steve Jobs

He's a major A.H.  Profit or no, there's no way would I want someone like that to re-invent the Amiga, because I would probably not like it at all.

Sure he is a huge A.H. but we were talking about saving the Amiga Brand... not about making products that would appeal to the Amiga community. ;-)

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Waccoon wrote:

Bloodline:  Sure he is a huge A.H. but we were talking about saving the Amiga Brand... not about making products that would appeal to the Amiga community.

Ah, so you just want a salesman, and not engineers.  :-D

:-D

Yeah, I guess so... no one comapny could afford the same number of CPU designers as intel/AMD, or the same number of GPU designers as ATI/nVidia or the same number of chipset designers as any of the above... it just makes sense to use thier hardware and repackage it a way (a pretty aluminium case?) that makes it more attractive to the customer... a well thought out OS and a great suite of productivity/home apps as standard for a good price is the way to do it.

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Woz is a clever chap, but I'd rather have Dave Haynie... or even both!!! :-D

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Hyperspeed wrote:
One could argue that piracy helped make the Amiga, as it has done lately with the Playstation!

It probably made VHS what it is today also!

Really though - AmigaOne... what's that chip inside it for that offers lockout protection? Is that the only custom hardware it has!?

Eyetech reflashed the standard "OpenFirmware BIOS" (as found on 99% of other PPC motherboards) with a "UBoot BIOS". Thus AOS4 only boots from UBoot firmware.

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humppa wrote:
bloodline wrote:

Eyetech reflashed the standard "OpenFirmware BIOS" (as found on 99% of other PPC motherboards) with a "UBoot BIOS".
Thus AOS4 only boots from UBoot firmware.

Wrong.

http://amigaworld.net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=2590&start=80#31050

Ok then, Mr pedant... The version of AOS4 that is in the wild (ie in the hands of users, and thus available for any board that has been release) can only boot from a UBoot BIOS... Give me a copy of AOS4 that boots from OF and my original statement would be wrong.

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humppa wrote:

bloodline wrote:

Ok then, Mr pedant... The version of AOS4 that is in the wild (ie in the hands of users, and thus available for any board that has been release) can only boot from a UBoot BIOS... Give me a copy of AOS4 that boots from OF and my original statement would be wrong.

What are you talking about? I don't know which version you mean, but it's most likely a version for A1. We have UBoot for the A1. The version for the A1 will rely on UBoot, no question.

However, this does not contradict to Rogues post and the fact that OS4 does not necessarily need UBoot. Ever looked at the BPPC/CSPPC? And how would you do UBoot on an old (mysterious) IBM PPC-PDA?

I never once said anywhere that AOS4 needs UBoot. I only said that AOS4 which is available/has been available (in some way) to us (the end user) has relied on UBoot. And, I might add, in reply to the original question, this is the key anti-piracy measure (i.e. custom) part of the AmigaONE...

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humppa wrote:
bloodline wrote:

I never once said anywhere that AOS4 needs UBoot.

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Thus AOS4 only boots from UBoot firmware.

So you are saying that OS4 "only boots from UBoot" because it doesn't need it? Well... :lol:

Yes, it only boots from UBoot because that is the "security measure" taken by Hyperion. AOS4 has no technical need for UBoot...

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humppa wrote:

Yes, it only boots from UBoot because that is the "security measure" taken by Hyperion.

But that's wrong. You're running in circles. It does not only boot from UBoot. The Classic version, mystic device version and most likely also the Powervixxen/SharkPPC boot without UBoot. So UBoot as a security measure is quite useless, since the only devices which actually use it are bought together with OS4.

Yeah, becuse I can buy a version of AOS4 that doesn't use UBoot... right...

I've been trolled... :roll: I appologise for adding to the noise in this thread.