Netsurf V3.0 Amiga release 2

[MozzerFan]

How well will this thing run on an A4000T with Cyberstorm II 060/50, 32 megs of RAM and Picasso IV? I was thinking websites like amiga.org, not video streaming sites like youtube

I've tried it on my a4000d with Cyberstorm mkII, 76 mb ram and PIV, and loading amiga.org takes quite a long time. I didn't measure the time, but I think it almost takes a minute before the whole page is loaded.

[MozzerFan]

@Nostromo
 
Well Ibrowse is still my favourite browser for classic systems (except under winuae).
It's very fast, but unfortunately lacks CSS support.
 
Right now, when I need to do some serious browsing, I either use the PC or use netsurf 68k under winuae.

[MozzerFan]

>>I've tried it on my a4000d with Cyberstorm mkII, 76 mb ram and PIV, and loading >amiga.org takes quite a long time. I didn't measure the time, but I think it almost takes a >minute before the whole page is loaded.
 
I try without JIT and really the page load is 4* slower as aweb.aweb show page not complete because of missing CSS, but aweb show many, so its maybe a good compare to see whats so slow in netsurf.also intresting how can switch css off in netsurf, what happen with speed then.
 
Maybe you can post values of OWB to show that page

Well I measured the time and loading amiga.org in netsurf 68k takes 64 seconds on my system. loading amigaworld.net takes 26 seconds.
 
I tried loading amiga.org in OWB 1.3, but that takes forever. after 2 minutes loading amiga.org still wasn't finished, so I gave up.
 
I also tried to use OWB 1.5, but for some strange reason that version doesn't work on my system.
 
Edit: There's supposed to be OWB 1.6, but I can't find it.
 
Edit2: IIRC earlier versions of Netsurf 68k were faster on my system.

[MozzerFan]

incremental_reflow:1
min_reflow_period:500
max_fetchers:4
max_fetchers_per_host:4
max_cached_fetch_handles:4
 
please try out on your classic and post values so you reach better performance.
the complete page load is not important only important is that the page is show as soon as possible in correct layout and you can scroll or click on links
 
try also
incremental_reflow:0
 

With these settings amiga.org loads faster on my classic system. It now takes about 40 seconds. Loading time of amigaworld.net is the same.

[MozzerFan]

@MozzerFan
 
You can get OWB 1.6 68k from http://strohmayer.org/files/OWB_m68k_1.6.lha

Thanks !!!
 
Just like 1.5 it doesn't work though :confused:
It won't even open a window.
 
I wonder if it has to do with the new ixemul.library.
 
Edit: just tried it with the old ixemul (48.x): same problem.
It's really weird: If I try to start it from CLI, it says it need exec.library from BB2, and that's the one I'm using.

[MozzerFan]

Found the problem with OWB 1.6: I had to disable AFA and use ixemul.library 48.x.
 
Running it under winuae was not really as fast as netsurf 68k, so after the test with owb 1.3 I decided no to try 1.6 on my real amiga.

[MozzerFan]

>Found the problem with OWB 1.6: I had to disable AFA and use ixemul.library 48.x.
 
ah yes i download it and test from that link.
get the errors messages too when start from shell.
ixemul V48 or better need or exec V45 need.He does add checks so it dont work.but its possible to remove this checks and all work ok i think.
 
AFA and ixemul is fully compatible to older Versions.
 
that OWB can work well with newer ixemul and AFA you can see, when you try out OWB 1.2 OWB1.3 or OWB 1.4.all work ok.1.5 i not test.
 
I dont rememeber was there a news message about 1.6 OWB

Well OWB 1.3 indeed works fine with the new ixemul and AFA, but the speed was horrible on my real amiga, as I wrote in my previous post.
I just wanted to see if 1.5 or 1.6 were any better.
 
OWB 1.5 gave me the same warnings as 1.6, so I guess both require the old ixemul and also that AFA has to be disabled.

[MozzerFan]

I just wanted to try out OWB 1.6, because in your previous posts you asked me to also test the loading time of amiga.org in OWB.
 
With the new options-settings, netsurf is reasonably usable on a classic system, and by using netsurf I can also use AFA and the new ixemul.

[MozzerFan]

The main reason for this settings is that you can scroll in a page before it is full load.the full load time is normaly not much faster.

Just to make sure, I tested it again.
 
Test on my classic system with 060/50, PIV, screen depth 1024x768 16-bits , Netsurf windows size 1024x768:
 
With old options: amiga org  displays the page after 20 sec., but full page load takes 60 secs. I've tried this 2 times with a freshly started system. Both times it takes about 60 sec.
 
With new options: amiga.org displays the page after 20 sec, but full page load takes 39 secs. Also tried 2 times with a freshly started system. Both times it takes about 39 sec.
 
 
Test under WinUAE screen depth 1600x1200 32-bits, netsurf window size 1024x768:
 
With old options: amiga.org displays the page after 8 sec, but full page load takes 24 secs. Also tried 2 times with a freshly started system. Both times it takes about 24 sec.
 
With new options: amiga.org displays the page after 5 sec, but full page load takes 15 sec. Also tried 2 times with a freshly started system. Both times it takes about 15 sec.
 
 
With amigaworld.net I hardly notice a difference. I haven't measured the time with any other sites.

[MozzerFan]

>With new options: amiga.org displays the page after 5 sec, but full page load takes 15 >sec. Also tried 2 times with a freshly started system. Both times it takes about 15 sec.
 
What DSL and winuae System (CPU)you have ?
 
On my system display page after 3-3,5 sec and full page is show after 10 sec.but after 3,5 sec i can scroll page with more than 20 fps or click on a link

This is on a Pentium 4 3 Ghz system with 1.5 GB RAM.
 
DSL is a 8 Mbit connection.

[MozzerFan]

seem your winuae JIT settings are not good.
 
Here you can see a old screenshot how the settings should be for JIT.
 
http://www.pcguru.plus.com/uaegfx/cpu.gif
 

I've changed my JIT settings, and now I get similiar speeds as you with Netsurf. Thanks

[MozzerFan]

maybe somebody try out netsurf with cache proxy if its faster on classic.
this a Ex Amiga User and network expert dev i know use long time on his classic and it work well and fast on his classic
 
http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/httpproxy-0_14
 

I've installed httpproxy on my classic. To test if I installed it correctly I've tested it with Ibrowse and that works.
 
I've changed the http proxy settings in the options file of netsurf, but pages refuse to load with httpproxy.

[MozzerFan]

Do you get messages "Base stylesheet failed to load" and nothing can see ?
 
I get a report from a user that say this he get problems on winuae on his office proxy, he get this error on most sites.
But http://netsurf-browser.org
 
and many links on it work.
 
Is this on your system the same ?
If so, then its maybe a netsurf Problem in proxy Mode

Yes, that's the message I got.
 
I've only tried google and amiga.org, I don't know if the netsurf page works. I'll try to look at it again.

[MozzerFan]

Oops, I must have done something wrong with my HTTPProxy installation, because I reinstalled HTTPProxy (this time I installed it manually), and now Netsurf correctly shows all pages.
 
However I didn't notice much of a speedup with most sites.
 
All visited sites are correctly written to the proxy cache.
 
Amiga.org doesn't have a speedup after the page was written to the proxy cache. Amigaworld.net was a second faster.
The BBC news page was about 4 seconds faster. Edit: BBC-news actually is much SLOWER when using httpproxy. It takes 10 sec more to load the bbc page when using httpproxy.
 
Edit: Amiga-news.de also was not noticeably faster.
 
Edit: I also tested httpproxy with Ibrowse, and with that I do notice a significant speedup.

[MozzerFan]

to check if this is the problem, start the load of a page and deactivate the netsurf window.netsurf should then get taskpri -1.
 
then always when netsurf fire a internet request http proxy should start immidiatly to send the data, because httpproxy have then a higher taskpri.
 
to see if netsurf really get taskpri -1 look in scout taskwindow.
 
maybe you can write the steps you do to get httpproxy working.

When deactivating the netsurf window, it indeed gets taskpri -1.
 
But even when deactivating the netsurf window, there's still no speedup when using httpproxy.