dnetc benchmarks

[TheDaddy]

MOS and old Apple machines are better than AmigaOS 4 and any SAM/X1000.

[TheDaddy]

Linux on my dual core is better than MOS and old Apple machines.

But that's not really the point, is it?

It is. It's exactly the point of all these threads of the last few days.

It's to prove that MOS and old Apple machines (since there are no original MOS machines and people have to do with Apple's old products) and consequently my Win 7/Linux on my quad core 4.8GHz pc is faster than your Linux box. There is this raging, rabid desire to prove which one is better.
So yes the AmigaOne X1000 is slower than a mac mini. Oh and I forgot it's an overpriced piece of junk...same goes for the SAMs, it won't matter what is produced there will always be something better and faster.
ACube makes a dual core SAM..."but my Apple quad is way faster..."
OK we got it...

[TheDaddy]

@Iggy

>>Pegasos I and II.
>>Perhaps you mean there is no new MorphOS specific machine available

Yes that is what I meant.

>>And my 3.6 GHz Quad core PC (while slower then yours) would also be faster, but that isn't the point.

It is exactly the point. We are comparing different products designed for different Operating Systems, and there are at least three threads which have been started trying to underline exactly what I said above.
So I am saying MOS is good and OS4 is crap, old Apple machine is better than new X1000, because this is exactly what these threads are about.

[TheDaddy]

:Iggy

>>While I'm impressed with the X1000, I don't understand the logic in producing it.

The logic is in Trevor's head. It's his money, his dream to create a new machine which would run OS4. I can't fault him for that, I have invested thousands of pounds during the last few years in a project that makes no sense at all and gives no economic returns. It's one of those things. I can't fault him for that.

[TheDaddy]

@kas1e

>>Imho you are wrong

In my opinion I am not.

>>as all that threads about founding of truth. If used and old macs can be faster in some areas than x1000, then why not say that ? We should know truth, and i very intersting in truth.

Truth? How are you going to prove the truth? Can an old mac run OS4? No. It's like for like. But even IF you found the truth what would you do with it? Fry it with bacon? It still makes no sense to find out that the X1000 is a couple of seconds slower than a mac mini, at the end of the day who the hell cares? Surely not the people who are going to buy the machine to run OS4.

Because the X1000 was created to run OS4 and to OS4 users it is the fastest machine the can get, that is the real substance of it all. I can't run OS4 on a mac so I don't give a damn about the PPC Mac I have in the garage gathering dust. If I could run on it and it was faster than the X1000 then obviously I'd prefer using a faster machine. But here we are proposing benchmarks which have nothing to do with OS4 and I run OS4. I hope it's clear.

Answer me this:

I run OS4 on a SAM440ep and it's quite satisfying and fun to use and it's the slowest one (666MHz).
I'd like more power, my choices are:

SAM460ex and X1000 which without any doubt will double, if not more, the speed and the experience of OS4.

Can I run OS4 on "faster" machines?

Me coming from a SAM440ep. Answer? No, end of story.

[TheDaddy]

no, i cant fault him either. but as long as logic behind that is only within his head, none is going to drag me behind such a project. anyway, daddy, i dont think you will be ever able to afford this piece, as you always are complaining about your bad finances, then all your argument must be taken with a benefit of doubt, im afraid.

I don't complain about my bad finances, who told you that? My bank manager? I just say that to carry on with my projects I have to sell stuff on ebay, something completely different.
I have bought a SAM440ep when it was £550 and a SAM440 Flex at £700 and planning on getting a SAM460ex and a X1000. I also bought several expanded Amigas, 1200 PPC with Mediators etc..etc...
So you score no point there I am afraid...
Good try though...

[TheDaddy]

@amigadave


Exactly. I totally I agree with you. This is an OS4 machine, for OS4 users is the DREAM machine, like the A4000 was for A500 users.
This is what people running these benchmark threads fail or pretend to understand.

I can't care less if an old Apple G4 runs circles around the X1000 and the 460ex, I can't run OS4 on the mac. I have a PPC 1.8GHz iMac in the garage, been there 12-18 months?

If I could run OS4 on it then brilliant, but I can't so the obvious choice is the 460ex or X1000, period.

[TheDaddy]

All those ppl who want to have the fastest Amiga ever. While I am not a big fan of OS4 myself even I would have considered an X1000 if it were really fast and giving me a big computing power benefit over what  have already. Well, it doesn't. I think that's highly interesting and valuable information. Saves me $3000 at the end of the day.

I think people who want the fastest Amiga ever will still buy it because as you say it is the fastest Amiga ever and a few seconds difference here and there won't change their mind.

So you are really saying that because the X1000 looks like it "might" be slightly slower than a mac you won't be buying it? Also again this makes no sense as you'll only be using it to run OS4 so at this precise moment it's the fastest OS4 machine, if you want the fastest MOS machine you get a mac.

[TheDaddy]

No. It's the other way around. Because the X1000 is not significantly faster than what I have already it it totally pointless and uninteresting for me.
If it were significantly faster I might have considered one machine. But with those results - no way!

What have you got?

[TheDaddy]

If AmigaOS 4 ever gets ported to the Mac, it will be doomed to stay on old hardware forever, as the market for new machines would be obliterated- which is exactly what they do not want.
AmigaOS on Mac would be a big mistake IMHO. We should be encouraging new AOS capable machines, not destroying them.

As they say +1

[TheDaddy]

@kas1e

>>When x1000 was announcement with it madness price, i was somehow sure, that because of that price, it will kick all the maconitoshes right in the ass

As you know that is not always the case. See supercars for example. There are some costing £1.5 million and they are not that much faster than a £150,000 supercar. It costs so much because the production is in small quantities (I know this based on personal experience). Surely it could have been cheaper I would have not chosen Xena, Xorro etc...to keep the price down and maybe a different cpu but it's still remains a good board. Maybe one day someone will harness the "power" of Xorro who knows.

>>compare with make a port to good old macs.

But this is a mistake I think. You are comparing just that, old macs, which aren't produced any more running a different OS. Weird!

>>Now, because of benchmarks, i see, that Macs are even faster in almost all the areas, except the ram speed area. So, what i will do with that truth when i know that overpriced HW which will run amigaos4, are slower than macintosh with morphos ? I will do that: when i will for real feel that i want something new and cool, i will think twice to buy a mac with morphos, or x1000 with aos4.

But you can say that of everything else. If you REALLY want to run OS4 on the fastest hardware then at the moment the X1000 is the fastest hardware, if you want to run MOS then an old mac G4 will do the job. It depends on what you want to run.
I enjoy using OS4 so for me the X1000 IS the fastest machine which will guarantee the fastest OS4 results.
If ACube came out with a mid solution at a good price then I'd buy that. If they decided to go faster than the X1000 then as an OS4 user I'd buy that.

I don't spend time looking at OSX or Win 7 or Linux and thinking: "oh look how fast they run on their quad cpus" it's a waste of time, they are faster in some areas but they are not OS4, I hope it's clear. If I were a MOS user I'd look at the fastest mac G4 solution, I wouldn't care less about the X1000 as it doesn't run MOS unless I wanted to do some child play taunting the "opposition", na na na na na!

Also look at how fast it sold out. Someone is interested in it and why? To run OS 4 and Debian Linux in dual boot. Trevor says a new batch is going to be produced soon, I bet it'll sell fast, no matter how many threads and topics are raised about it being slower than an old mac. Guaranteed.

If one can afford it and want OS4 and Linux then save the cash and buy it otherwise it's just a sign that we are here to discredit a product for the hell of it.

[TheDaddy]

Among other hardware there is a Mac mini G4 1500, a Powerbook 1.67 is on the shopping list. And to avoid your next respond "but this s not Amiga". Indeed it is not called Amiga and OS4 doesn't run on it. But MorphOS. Well and if you refuse to see why MorphOS s amigaish as OS4 except the tademark and some antique code snippets I give you a link to my statemet what MorphOS is: http://via.i-networx.de/wim.htm

I rest my case...

[TheDaddy]

@kas1e

>>We all there in benchmark threads not because we want discredit or credit any kind of product.

Doesn't look like it.

>>Potential users should know the truth.

What truth there is there to know? It's not that they are hiding anything is there? You make it sound like people have been hiding stuff. If a person wants to buy an X1000 they are probably people in the know anyway, they know the specs of the machine and what to expect from it, it's PPC dual core for OS4.

Anyway, want to do the tests? Fine by me, if I can save the money I'll buy a X1000 because it'll be magnitudes faster than my SAM440ep at 666MHz running OS4, that is it.

I have already got PPC iMac, Intel based iMacs, not that I use them that often, a super-dupa PC with Win 7, I am looking to get the fastest Amiga there is or AmigaOS 4 capable machine.

So if it's slower than a PPC mac I can't care less.

Keep testing

[TheDaddy]

And the truth is quite easy. The x1000 is the fastest AmigaOs machine there is. That wasn't hard. :afro:

Way faster than my SAM440 at 666MHz and my old A1200 PPC at 266MHz, more than enough for me to warrant a purchase

[TheDaddy]

How so? I mean, if OS4 actually supported Xena, Xorro, the second CPU core, and the more common onboard hardware - yeah maybe it would be somebody's idea of a "dream". As it is though it's just a somewhat faster CPU & RAM.

Unless you mean, it's a dream to make OS4 look even more ridiculous, if so then point taken.

You never know maybe one day...but this is not the point, even if it did all those things there will still be someone who'd come up with a test...
I stand by my idea that all this is done to laugh at Trevor/Hyperion because someone got beaten last time and feels very angry and bitter and now want revenge!