My Pegasos is shipping! Interest in a full review?

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by mahen on 2003/4/19 15:19:19

@Alkemyst etc...

Geez: Wayne just makes use of common sense.

If NOW something is NOT working/fully working, it's obvious it won't be available for the market before several months ! (or at least for AmigaOne, if it's not yet working on it, it won't be ported & fully tested in two weeks !)

Look where does it state when someone saying something is not working/ready/ yet that = a minium set time.

I fix TV,video,HIFI's.
Install car audio systems in my spare time.

when i get a phone call asking is it ready yet & i say know that does not tell when i will be finished does it.

sometime it takes a week from the phone call to finish & some times it takes me just half an hour after the phone call but i had no idear how long at the time.

MorphOS is working on pegasos since 2001. And it's still beta, although better & better. (I'm using it as my only system since 8 months ago)


It's not an attack to OS4 : wayne just said : I would love to review it, but won't be able to before some months.

When i use that agrument with z5 on another thread about moaning about the time it has taken hyperion to port AmigaOS to PPC.

He took it has an Attack.



Is that so difficult to understand ? Why attack him automatically ?[/quote]

I do unstarstand the meaning of not readying yet & that it does not mean that you can make up what ever time line you like to when it will be ready with out asking the ppl who are making it happen.

Eyetech are not the ppl making Aos4.
Hyperion said its ready when its ready.
hyperion would not let eyetech give imformation to when it mite be ready to wich hyperion would not of been willing to state them selfs.

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by bbrv on 2003/4/19 15:57:44

Hey Alkemyst, good luck to those people and companies...may the force be with them so to speak!

I have no idear what your on about.

But what i do know is of you asking someone on another site not to compare Aone/Aos4 with Pegasos/MOS anymore on Aone/Aos4 thread but yet your happy for ppl to do it on PegasosMOS threads.

[Alkemyst]

This morning, I realized that people (especially me) are no longer able to express their opinions on this site without the Genesi cheerleaders coming out of left field and pedantically picking your words and phrases apart until you honestly wish you had never bothered.


Nice to you that your breaking your own rules yet again with the name calling.

[Alkemyst]

I think its strange that Wanye rarely moans about the Gensei cheerleaders coming out & doing exactly what he is complaining about to others on Amiga threads.

[Alkemyst]

Come on now Alkemyst! I started this thread and it was going just fine until Amiga Inc's webmaster injected venom into it, and then others jumped on the bandwagon. Put yourself in Wayne's or even my shoes for a moment. There was no reason to poison this thread. There has been nothing anti Hyperion or Eyetech said from either of us. Wayne did not say "Alkemyst you are a cheerleader". But there certainly has been some cheerleading in this thread.

Im sure i was the first one to complain about waynes post, but its been removed but the replys to it are still intact.

I would not be in waynes shoes in the first place.
If i thought that i had made a mistake i would fix it fast & not let it run on & on.

cheerleading! i did not see anyone saying things like amiga.inc are great or hyperion rules or anything like that.

It was just ppl trying to put strate about expected ETA of Aos4.

anyway in going out to enjoy me self.

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by Wayne on 2003/4/21 14:38:36

Final answer:

I have come to a conclusion since Saturday morning. I also came to a realization.

That realization is that there is a certain faction here practicing "Gorilla marketing" on this, and other Amiga web sites which aren't following what they consider to be "the company line". Every time anyone, on any site dares to utter an opinion which is contrary to "Amiga Inc is the one true savior", there are dozens of you (more than likely "three people with dozens of accounts") which come out of nowhere to attack, disect, and myopically intimidate the poster for his opinion. You've even turned on your own community with the same fury and vigor that you used to reserve for PC and Mac sites. This is considerably shameful. I will no longer allow that to happen here, or to me.

Sorry but what you said could be also said about the other side.

AmigaOS has zero to do with Amiga Inc. It is a Hyperion product.

Amiga.inc own the IP.
Hyperion are making Aos4 under license  from Amiga.inc.
With out amiga.inc in the first place hyperion would not be making Aos4.

2) AmigaOne has zero to do with Amiga Inc. It is an Eyetech product.

Eyetech is useing the name AmigaOne under license from Amiga.inc.
With out Amiga.inc eyetech could not use the name amigaone.

None of these facts are debatable, so save your breath.

No such thing as non debatable.
Everything can be debated

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Not quite. You make it sound like Amiga Inc initiated the license. They did not. Hyperion did.

No i did not & the point is not who came to who first.

The point still is no matter who came up with the plan that there would be no Aos4 with out amiga.inc say so weather amiga.inc intend to continue with amigaOS or not.

Now you're confusing fact with your own opinion. Perhaps not Hyperion, but someone would have been writing it.

It does not matter how many other firms that could of been making it instead of Hyperion.
with out Amiga.inc's say so NO one can make Aos4.

 

[Alkemyst]

by Wayne on 2003/4/21 16:32:16

@Alkemyst

Now you're simply trying to argue semantics. /me feels that I have nothing left to say, since all you want to do is argue. Let me help out here by explaining, in psychological terms the character traits being shown here by repeated argument on your part;

 
If anyone is trying to argue semantics it is you with your debatable facts list.

Hyperion are making Aos4 under license from Amiga.inc.


Not quite. You make it sound like Amiga Inc initiated the license. They did not. Hyperion did.

Thats you trying to argue semantics.

ME pedantic hardly

These adjectives mean marked by a narrow, often tiresome focus on or display of learning and especially its trivial aspects

That more like you than me with

Hyperion are making Aos4 under license from Amiga.inc.


Not quite. You make it sound like Amiga Inc initiated the license. They did not. Hyperion did.

and other thing in your list.

a pedantic writing style; an academic insistence on precision; a bookish vocabulary; donnish refinement of speech; scholastic and excessively subtle reasoning.

Are you sure cos most ppl say my spelling grammer punchuation are from what you have siad.

And you dont see  me moaning about others writing styles at all or thier spelling mistake.

And your no Psychologist thats for sure so the fact that you called me pedantic has no value at all cos any one could go through a dictionary to pick out words to discribe someone weather the discribed word was the right one picked in the first place.


The reason why im harder on you is cos of your poistion.

i just dont accept ppl abuseing there power.

Your in a position of authority on A.org  so you have to be more carefull than the rest of us.

what i say has fareless reflection on Amiga.org than you have when you say something.

Im put in position of authority in most places i work with out my even choosing, simply cos im very good at what i do & the workers like me cos i dont nipick at other who are not as good as me. But im very hard on bosses above me when they try abuse their postision and i have never been sacked.

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by redrumloa on 2003/4/21 16:15:58


Quote:


It does not matter how many other firms that could of been making it instead of Hyperion.




I think you are missing the point, Wayne isn't arguing against that.

As I side note, am i the only person who remembers Bill Mc trying to offer the OS4 job to Coyote Flux?

Anyhow, Wayne's not insulting A1/OS4/Hyperion/Eyetech in his posts. So what's the problem? He is stating an opinion based on available information. I have more or less the same opinion. Unless you don't like the negative A-Inc vibes, but that is a given due to recent history.

Never said that i thought wayne was insulting.
The problem is SOME facts that are not facts.

I have no problem with negative A-Inc vibes, but that is a given due to recent history.

As long as they are stated with good reason, but there is every few exmaples of that as most of it is just plain flaming on amiga.inc cockup that we have all known about for a long time now.

The truth matter but it also matter on how you go about saying it.

The only thing i have been happy about to some exstent is getting Aos3.9 uptill now since Amiga.inc as been around & they had little to do with that.

I have not been happy about anything directly from amiga.inc yet. but i dont feel the need to go on about it everyday.