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Offline Ilwrath

Re: State of the Amiga, 2007
« on: May 24, 2007, 03:21:48 PM »
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Anyway, I see a lot of apples and oranges. I'd no more compare GIMP/Photoshop to DPaint than a tray of fixer to a paint brush. These things are COMPLIMENTARY, not competitive.

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Like others commenting here, I keep hearing some say "there are equal or better tools available." However, either none are referenced or those that are not only not better, they are often not even of the same genre.


Too true.  But, of course, one may ask why no one has built a better horse-buggy in the past 100 years.  I mean, a car isn't really a direct drop-in replacement for all functionality, is it?  

Photoshop and DPaint are very different experiences and have different strengths.  That doesn't necessarily mean that one can't supersede the other for most purposes, though.  There are some things (like Pixel art and animation) that are much easier in the DPaint environment.  However, for the majority of work, Photoshop gives great results with much more overall flexibility in a fraction of the total time.  This has caused it to become the "good enough" solution, with all the positive and negative connotations that go with that statement.

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Amiga aside, even a 64 would provide the AVERAGE user with a machine capable of doing everything the average world citizen needs today in a stable, reliable, environment. A 2007 64 would likely have the guts tucked under the 10 key in a cranny... Problem? Drop it in the trash and get another out of the cupboard.


Yeah, I've thought about that, too.  It's a whole different view of "computing as a commodity" than what we ended up with.  In a lot of ways, I really wish this view would have caught on more.  The average person doesn't really need all the power and flexibility of a full computer.  In fact, they get in a lot of trouble with not knowing how to handle it. (Spyware, viruses, etc.)  A tight, lean, purpose-built machine would be more resilient to these hazards.

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Peripherals have advanced mightily, as have many other things, but AutoCAD runs no faster (sometimes slower) on my 3.8gHz behemoth than the AutoCAD (which did 90% of the same work) I first ran from dual floppy drives on a 10mHz XT at the National University of Singapore in 1985.


Now, I'd HIGHLY disagree here.  The one thing I LOVE about the modern x86 (x64, or whatever) is the raw power of the platform.  Taking that AutoCAD, it's now possible to create  complex meshes and surfaces containing millions of points.      Heck, it's a breeze to make them into complex volumetric solids and export them to the CFD model and run some heat or flow analysis in a few minutes, even.  Try THAT on the XT.  Better not exceed a couple hundred data points before that massive 16MB of RAM dries up.  Nevermind CFD models, a simple AutoShade picture was a multi-day affair.

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OTOH, I am equally convinced no other machine is even close to being equal and I sometimes wish I'd never heard of it [Amiga] when I get a "We're sorry, Windows can't find its butt with both hands" message.


HAHA!  This is so true.  I was cussing out Windows up and down for one of those stupid moments back a couple months ago.  My wife asked me "If Windows is so bad, what's better?"  I stopped and thought about it for a moment.  The best I could come up with is "Well, nothing anymore, really.  I just always thought computing would turn out differently."
 

Offline Ilwrath

Re: State of the Amiga, 2007
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2007, 07:56:40 PM »
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But my particular profession needs those DPaint functions.


Yeah, don't get me wrong.  If you ABSOLUTELY NEED cel animation or pixel art, there are slim pickin's nowadays.  The problem is that these things are coming to be a lost art, in general.  Outside the demo scene, I haven't seen anyone do serious pixel work in 10 years.  And as for animation, the current trends have gone toward the Dreamworks-style 3d rendering.  Heck, even the kids' Sunday morning cartoons are mostly 3d rendered, nowadays.  Just the same, you could say no one has written any ASCII art programs in years...  If you NEED to make a new ASCII image (an NFO file, maybe?) you're just out of luck.  ;-)

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As to AutoCAD, you compared the 10% I left out that did not exist at the time.


Well, line drawings on AutoCAD are largely unchanged in the time since its early versions...  But I'd say it's a lot more than 10% that didn't exist back then.  The whole modern drawing methodology wasn't possible just 15 or 20 years ago.  Back then, due to the hardware, people only did lines.  

Nowadays, it's a whole new set of rules, though.  A buddy of mine is a civil engineer.  He uses AutoCAD with a civil pack and does full 3d models of the building plan, complete with parking lots, existing conditions, utilities, etc.,  He takes the 3d model, and from it can calculate required grades, green space requirements, run-off basins, etc., all in the package.  These drawings can be multi-acre 3d topo's.    You can then use the drawings to pull promotional images of the final layouts, and all sorts of other neat things, too.

Plus all the advantages on the mechanical side.  Full detail 3D models open so many possibilities.  Rapid prototyping is really heating up.  Pretty soon it'll get to a stage where you can prototype a part out of an actual material that would be useful.  (Say aluminum vs. the current soft plastics.)  But nowadays, everything is being drawn, tested, virtually assembled, and possibly even prototyped from that  virtual 3d model before it ever hits any production.  

And for CFD and analysis, a modest x86 can pack more than the computing punch of a 15 years' ago Cray or big-ticket SGI, while sitting on the corner of your desk for under $1,000.  THAT is an impressive feat that opens some doors to new ways of doing things.

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Most of my peers think I am rather eccentric for my well known hatred of Microsoft. I try to keep my mouth shut, as I have NOTHING nice to say.


I LOVE my Amigas.  There are certainly things about them I miss in modern PCs.  But I don't really have a hatred for Microsoft or the modern PC.  It's just a different evolution that's yielded some different things.  

And do we really know that the results are all THAT different?  If DPaint were still in production, would it still be the program we love, or would have been dropped due to lack of sales?  Might it have morphed into a Photoshop competitor?  For most applications, it seems that the demand of features shapes what direction programs head in.  Most of the things lacking in new software are lacking because they are no longer commonly used.  Even IF there were a strong Amiga and DPaint, would you still be stuck back at V6 or maybe a V7 because these features were de-emphasized/re-featured?  It's all a possibility...

Of course, the counter-argument is always that no one is requesting these features because no one ever knew they once existed.  Also a possibility.  It's the only way I can fathom the 5 billion features in Word, yet no good Final Writer style dictionary/thesaurus.  :lol:

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Occasionally someone says "Well, at least he brought conformity" and I must bite my tongue severely to avoid asking if they admire Hitler for the same reason...


:lol:  Yeah, I'd say we could all agree that a lack of diversity is rarely a good thing.
 

Offline Ilwrath

Re: State of the Amiga, 2007
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2007, 03:56:32 AM »
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Eloquent response, well written.


Yours, as well.  I consider it one of the more interesting threads I've been in for a while.  

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Those "different things" are an archaic kernel still reliant on virtual memory in a world flooded with the real thing, dirt cheap. It was an awful idea even when memory wasn't so cheap.


True points.  The kernel probably isn't everything I'd hope for.  But then again, I'm not really sure what WOULD be.  The Amiga was lacking here, too, what with apps being able to cause an instant guru and knocking down the system.  Despite the numerous app errors, I haven't had my XP workstation bluescreen (guru equivalent) since an ill-tempered corrupt MediaPlayer CODEC brought things crashing to a halt a couple years ago.  It's hard to blame an OS for crashing when it has a corrupt system file.  Of course, one could also question why Microsoft chose to have MediaPlayer CODECS interact at that deep of a level of the system...  

Virtual memory.  Repeat the Microsoft mantra.  "It allows the lesser used items in RAM to be swapped to disk so there is more RAM available for the overall system."  This sounds great in theory.  But, I agree, in practice it doesn't make much sense in any system.  On the older boxes, disk access was at such a resource penalty that it caused a rather severe performance hit.  And on modern systems, you can have enough RAM that things shouldn't need to be swapped out.  Yet the system still does, so it can free up more system RAM to use for buffering your common hard drive accesses, presumably speeding up your swap?  :lol:  What the heck kind of logic is that?!  I totally agree, the VM model needs a massive rethink and re-tuning.

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The big lie has triumphed in a way no novelist could possibly emulate. People expect their machines to go south a couple of times a day[...]


No offense, but who are these people that have their machines go south a few times a day?  My workstation (XP Pro) has been up and running for the past week and is still crisp, responsive and stable.  My media server (2k3 Server) has been up and serving files (streaming video, mp3, TiVo desktop, etc) for nearly a month now, and was last rebooted because the power went out during a thunderstorm and the APC UPS sent it a shutdown command.  I never got that kind of uptime from an Amiga.  Even my 4000 wouldn't go more than a day or two before memory fragmentation would start hurting performance.  Viruses and spyware will send your Windows build south in a hurry, but really, some standard safety practices and a decent NAT hardware firewall are all the defense you need against that.

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and to have Microsoft constantly checking to see if they are "Genuine." My God, I am a Texan and such assumptions about my honesty bring out the worst assumptions of the rest of the world about us.


Yeah, I'll agree here.  I really hate the "Genuine Advantage" crapola, and consider it spyware, as well.  That's a KB update that none of my Windows boxes have gotten.  You don't actually need it.  There are alternate ways to get to the KB downloads that require "Genuine," if for some reason there is one you really need.

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This OS is designed to produce a constant revenue stream[...]


Yeah, again, another complete agreement.  Microsoft is testing the waters of the "software as a service" idea.  Personally, I hope it falls flat on its face and dies as quickly as possible.  I like my software being MINE, and I want it to stay that way.  I think a lot of people think this way.  If Microsoft pushes too hard, I can see them chasing a lot of people to Open Source, simply because of the issue of control.  IMHO, this could also be a good thing.  ;-)

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putting and endless SN that serves only to get separated from the disk that requires it and has no function other than to make it useless, or losing the disk such the SN you have is no good...


"Please enter word 3 from paragraph 2 on page 61 of the manual."  How about a dongle that takes up a joystick port and endangers fragile CIA chips?  Stupid crap like this has been around forever and isn't exclusive to Microsoft.  :lol:

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OK, I've probably worn out my welcome in three days here already. I will try to behave.


Naw...  I doubt it.  You post some fresh views and interesting ideas and support them well.  :-)  You've gotten 3 long-winded responses from me in a single day.  I can't remember the last time that's happened.  And you've reminded me of a few other things I really hate about Windows that I've turned a blind eye to, in order to not be as depressed.  [sarcastic]Thanks a bunch.[/sarcastic]  :lol: