potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP

[Louis Dias]

@koaftder

if you have 1000 icons on your screen, you're just unorganized, don't blame to OS

@Waccoon

Most people don't multitask as well as the OSes they are trying to use.

Which is why I said it's a "nice feature" and why I said you can get away with 24MB...several pages ago...

As for the rest, some nice ideas but my scope here has always been cheap hardware + OS 4 for the masses.  Who knew this thread would get so philisophical?  I can't see them going beyond OS4...

As for your comments about a PS2 looking better than a GC - hahahaha...  Maybe you should compare apples to apples.  Get the same game on each system and play them both.  The GC verion is either an exact port (graphically) or better.  I've played Madden on both systems, PS2 looks like cartoon drawings of real people.  Not much shading and not too detailed textures.  The GC version looks about 3/4 of the way from the PS2 version to the XBOX version, but I guees with the 3 games you own, you'd never know how great the GC really can be.  

What are those 3 games you own anyway?  I've owned about 80 GC games, maybe I can recommend you some based on your tastes.

[Louis Dias]

Well, Revolution is the evolved hardware upgrade.

Don't know what Go Go Hypergrind is...,  does it have a different name in the US?  Where are you from.  Star Fox Adventures was the first game I beat on the GC.  Star Fox Assault doesn't look as good graphically but is 10x more action oriented.  I just picked up R:Racing Evolution and Burnout 2.  R:Racing seems like it was made for regular TV, in progressive scan, everything is pixelated.  Burnout 2 hase excellent shading and textures but also looks better on the Trinitron because on a 50" I see pixels...

As for the quality of the output, I hooked up my Rev C modded cube to the family Sony 32" Trinitron via the composite cables and that picture looks better than my 480p on my 50" Samsung DLP.  So maybe you have a cable quality issue or a television issue.

[Louis Dias]

It's all about the shielding.  I tried using RCA cables for my DVD player in the composite output connectors instead of real composite cables and I didn't have the full color range on my TV.  It was just a signal quality issue.  That's the shielding and it's the only difference between RCA and composite cables.

Update:  Sales #'s

http://palgn.com.au/article.php?id=3605&sid=4cea9e5e814470cb7ea6fd462d04a13e

Need October #'s but here's November:
http://www.gamesarefun.com/news.php?newsid=5899

When Legend of Zelda:Twilight Princess is released, I believe the GC will pull away from the original XBOX in global sales.

[Louis Dias]

First - Happy Holidays!

Second: http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2005/12/22/play-twlight-princess-with-revolution-controller/

Revolution will launch in Europe in Nov '06.
Legend of Zelda on Nov 2, 2006

it will be "Revolution-aware" per my prediction in March '05...in this thread...
"Oh the lack of a clear upgrade path..."  :roll:

This puts the Revolution launch in Japan or US at around August.  

Legend Of Zelda is still on track for a spring '06 release.

[Louis Dias]

koaftder wrote:

lou_dias wrote:
First - Happy Holidays!

Second: http://www.4colorrebellion.com/archives/2005/12/22/play-twlight-princess-with-revolution-controller/

Revolution will launch in Europe in Nov '06.
Legend of Zelda on Nov 2, 2006

it will be "Revolution-aware" per my prediction in March '05...in this thread...
"Oh the lack of a clear upgrade path..."  :roll:

This puts the Revolution launch in Japan or US at around August.  

Legend Of Zelda is still on track for a spring '06 release.

Wow, thats just great. No really. Does nintendo pay you to spam amiga.org with markiting bs for their new console?

I have a new idea for you, why not shoehorn amiga os 4 into the new controller it's self. Then you can walk into bars with a head mounted display, a nintendo and wave your arms around while telling girls your running aos4 on your controller. Just think of all the women you will attract.

What's your issue?
I put forth an idea almost a year ago about getting a modern Amiga OS into alot of people's hands via the gamecube CHEAPLY.  People knocked down the idea for various reasons.  Mostly pure ignorance.  Short of not having harddrive functionality (which has been hacked into the DVD drive interface...), I've shown it to be quite possible.

Why does that bother you?
Why should it bother you?

I've defended my idea.  I'm sticking with it.
As I said about 10 months ago:  work started now could carry over to Revolution.  Pessimism prevented that.  It's users rallying behind a platform creating a perceived demand that induces manufacturers to produce a product that they feel has a viable market.  Why do you think the A1 is even here to begin with?  The beauty of the GC is that you can work for a day's pay then go out and buy one.  The GC has 20M in global sales.  If Amiga and Hyperion had persued a Nintendo license, the Amiga platform would have gotten free publicity through the normal console channels and sales generated from people who are merely curious alone could have added up to 50,000 users.  That's something that will never happen with an Amy'05, A1, Pegasos, PowerVixxen, or "let's announce another piece of hardware called 'xyz' that will never actually materialize".

Everything I "predicted" has been proven to be true.
Is that what bothers you?

I had a good idea and everybody found it easy to bash it but now my idea, in retrospect, doesn't look too bad.

If you don't like the thread - don't post in it.  It's posts like yours that have quadrupled the page count.  You don't like the thread - don't read it and don't post in it.  If you haven't realised it yet, I'm not easily discouraged.

Merry Christmas.

[Louis Dias]

adolescent wrote:

lou_dias wrote:

What's your issue?

He spelled that out.  You're so off topic in your own off topic thread that you've turned it into a nonstop Nintendo advertisment.  Of course, that's probably because that's the only good news you have.

No - people wanted an upgrade path to better hardware.  Revolution is that hardware - as I said 9 months ago.

I put forth an idea almost a year ago about getting a modern Amiga OS into alot of people's hands via the gamecube CHEAPLY.  People knocked down the idea for various reasons.  Mostly pure ignorance.  

Ignorance?  No, mostly fact.  Just because you refuse to deal with reality doesn't mean the rest of us have to agree your Nintendo fanboy rambling.

You make a list of what your arguments are - just the arguments, not your trollish remarks - and I'll review them and debate them.

CZN does some crazy {bleep}.  Remember, it has USB too.  Still not available for the common user.

http://www.gcloader.com
usb functionality coming soon...

I've defended my idea.  I'm sticking with it.
As I said about 10 months ago:  work started now could carry over to Revolution.  Pessimism prevented that.

No, you prevented that.  You're just one of those that talks the talk.  Or, you really know deep down that it's a stupid idea.

right - I prevented it, not the trollish unfounded remarks like "lack of binary compatibility" and "it's not a real PPC chip" b.s. you've spouted...

Everything I "predicted" has been proven to be true.
Is that what bothers you?

Just what did you predict?  That nothing would happen?  That some hardware barriers are impossible to overcome?  Wait, that wasn't you that was every other poster here.

see page 5 of this thread a post by me dated 3/30 where I predicted a major platform release would take advantage of Revolution hardware - can you say Legend Of Zelda:Twilight Princess?  And that was to prove the compatibility of the api between programming the GC and checking if Revolution hardware was present and taking advantage of it.  Point proven.

I had a good idea and everybody found it easy to bash it but now my idea, in retrospect, doesn't look too bad.

Nope.  It still looks bad.  Of course GC-Linux has gotten better over the past year.  It still doesn't make up for poor hardware.

Whatever.  Like I said a GC port is a stepping stone to an even better Revolution port.  Revolution hardware will run a circle around an A1 with a G4.  The mouse and be done with the Rev. controller.  It has USB 2.0 ports, SD memeory card ports and full DVD9 support as well as about triple the memory of the GC.  But you'll comeback and say something trollish like "that's not good enough" and that's all you can do is spout negativity.  Oh and don't expect Revolution to be any more than $199.  Probably less.  Hence that still qualifies it as a "potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP".

You can't even say that the CPU isn't going to be a good desktop cpu.  It has been proven that the GC's cpu is just a G3 FX with a faster bus 2 32 bit integer units instead on 1 64 bit, and 37 SIMD instructions added.  Rev's cpu is going to be similar but faster and with more cache.

[Louis Dias]

adolescent wrote:

And how does and announcement about Zelda release date relate then?

If there was no definite release date, then in your trollish eyes "it doesn't exist" - suprise! It exists.

right - I prevented it, not the trollish unfounded remarks like "lack of binary compatibility" and "it's not a real PPC chip" b.s. you've spouted...

I never said either of those things.  If you're going to accuse me of something, at least get the quotes correct.  After all, it was you that said the Internet ran on 10Mbps.

As far as I'm concerned, since my cable company's internet connection tops out a 6Mbps, that's all that's useable to me and even then no one gets anywhere near those speeds from a single connection.  The internet could run at 100000000000000000000000000Mbps, but if I can only access it at 650KB/s what good is that to me?

Just what did you predict?  That nothing would happen?  That some hardware barriers are impossible to overcome?  Wait, that wasn't you that was every other poster here.

see page 5 of this thread a post by me dated 3/30 where I predicted a major platform release would take advantage of Revolution hardware - can you say Legend Of Zelda:Twilight Princess?  And that was to prove the compatibility of the api between programming the GC and checking if Revolution hardware was present and taking advantage of it.  Point proven.

Again, I don't see how Zelda has anything to do with putting AOS4 on a game system.

yes - typical trollish comeback of ignoring why the statement was made to begin with even though the answer is staring the troll in the face as he writes his comeback...

Whatever.  Like I said a GC port is a stepping stone to an even better Revolution port.  Revolution hardware will run a circle around an A1 with a G4.  The mouse and be done with the Rev. controller.  It has USB 2.0 ports, SD memeory card ports and full DVD9 support as well as about triple the memory of the GC.  But you'll comeback and say something trollish like "that's not good enough" and that's all you can do is spout negativity.  Oh and don't expect Revolution to be any more than $199.  Probably less.  Hence that still qualifies it as a "potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP".

Actually, it has none of these things because it doesn't exist.  I could say the same about the new dual processor, dual core, G5 based AmigaTwo which will retail for under $199.  But, then that would be speculation right?

You know what - you don't exist.  I've never seen you.  So you can't possibly exist.  Just like when a tree falls in the forest, it doesn't make a sound because no one was there to hear it.

I've never seen a troll either...but I sure do read alot of what they write...

You can't even say that the CPU isn't going to be a good desktop cpu.  It has been proven that the GC's cpu is just a G3 FX with a faster bus 2 32 bit integer units instead on 1 64 bit, and 37 SIMD instructions added.  Rev's cpu is going to be similar but faster and with more cache.

Of course, I can't say that the chip is a good desktop CPU.  Not until it exists.  

Now if only this thread wouldn't exist.  Then how would you continue existing as a troll that doesn't exist?

[Louis Dias]

koaftder wrote:

This thread is great, so i'll continue to post. How else would i get insite into the exciting world of un released nintendo consoles? I bet you squirt a few wads in your pants every time you see this thread at the top of the heap.

With comments like that, I now realize I'm not even talking to an adult.  Maybe it's you that feels that way because you then come here and post to make sure it stays at the top.

You and the same 2 or 3 people think it's a bad idea.  Through out this thread, more users than that have posted that they would like to see it happen.  But they don't continue to post because they don't want to get involved in the childish trolling that's going on here.

[Louis Dias]

How can I be accused of going OT with Revolution when from the start I said it IS THE UPGRADE PATH.

Showing how a Gamecube game can take advantage of Revolution hardware because the systems are compatible like that - is relevant.  Instead I am called a troll in my own thread for staying on the topic I started.  That ALMOST MAKES SENSE - NOT!

I said from the begining that work done porting to the GC would carry over to Revolution.

Nintendo has announced that Revolutions will have SD memory ports and USB 2.0 port - so it must not be true then because I am a troll.

GCC PPC compilers with additions for the 37 SIMD instructions are used to compile homebrew GC code, so much for "lack of binary compatibility" and "not being a real PPC chip" - but I'm a troll.

Developers have leaked that Revolution will have atleast 96MB of memory (still more than enough to run OS4) - but I'm a troll.  

Nintendo has said that Revolution will play standard and dual-layer DVD's (so much for "non-standard media compatibility"), the GC's POT can also be adjusted to read DVD-R/RW's - but I'm a troll.

You almost have me convinced - not.  But I'm sure you'll keep trying.

[Louis Dias]

Here's where your point mixes with mine:

The A1 was a failure.  Why?  Because it offered so little for so much money.  Yeah the GC offer less, but it costs peanuts.  No {bleep} everybody's moved on - do you think I'm posting here on an Amiga - no, I am here with a PC.

I've stated in other "gaming" threads that the Wintel PC is the best gaming platform...and for unique, fun, pick up and play games, I have my GC.  So what!

The Amiga platform is dead in the water.  Without an inexpensive piece of hardware that anyone can walk down the street and buy as a foundation for increasing the userbase/reviving the platform, the only place the Amiga platform can go is down to NOTHING.

OS4's only chance is to become available on easily available hardware platforms.

Read through this thread.  I've stated that Hyperion should release a licensed product with some retro games available as a sort of "Amiga Lives" retro pack.  I'm all about helping the platform gain popularity.  I don't care if some people feel it's technically impossible because the only ones who can honestly answer that question is Hans, Ben and company.  For that matter, everything on the "official OS4 website" leads one to believe that a less-capable platform than the GC is a possible market for OS4.

All the "experts" that have said it can't be done are none of the people actually responsible for doing it.

I already know C and C++.  Guess what - C/C++ sucks ass.  With compiler technology as advanced as it is -  C should die.  People {bleep} on VB6 but VB6 gets converted to C then compiled on Windows.  I've also professionally used VFP(Visual Fox Pro).  VFP is great for data manipulation from various sources.  It's interpreted.  Now I use VB.net.  Guess what - that's interpretted too.  Everybody used to {bleep} on VFP for being interpretted.  Now cpu's are so powerful that the added benifits of an interpretted language outweigh a compiled language for business apps.  Who gives a {bleep}.

Here's the bottom line:  I don't give a rat's arse what you non-OS4 developers think is the reason why OS4 shouldn't be on the GC.  All I know is that if it was on the GC, more people would have the oportunity to experience/relive the Amiga platform than are doing so now.

I'm about getting the platform into people's living rooms and not about discussing why feature xyz is not possible on platform abc for market kmnlop.  OS4 needs to be accessible to everyone, not just Amiga-fanboys who dished out $1000 for an overpriced and out dated A1.  That's the only way this platform will gain any ground.

I've already done my part in helping JLF65 in porting AROS to the GC by supplying him with an SD Gecko at basically cost.  He's received it and has already installed a qoob Pro chip in his GC and will start work on that this week.   I've offered an SD Gecko in this thread to any Amiga developer intested in the GC platform at about cost.  My offer still stands.  I'm not an OS coder.  I'm a business-app coder.  But I know enough to know when someone is pulling my leg.  "Binary compatibility" comes to mind.

AROS will fit in the qoob chip's flashram and boot in a couple of seconds.  I have CubeDOOM (6.25 MB shareware level) running in 8 seconds from an SD card on the GC.  I have done it myself, so this is not a repost from some "speculation" website.  Revolution will be "soft-mod" exploited through it's GC compatibility.  This means that PPC-AROS will be running on a platform better than the Pegasus and A1 in a short time after Revolution is released.  You can piss and moan about "memory requirements" all you want but I haven't seen a non-gaming app that needs more than 24MB.  Multi-tasking is a feature, not a requirement.  Even then, 96MB is still plenty.

Go ahead - reply with another pessimistic view.  It's pessimism that leads to stagnation.  Optimism leads to innovation.

Now I could be just content with Linux on GC.  But I'm not.  Linux sucks.  There's Gentoo, Debian, SUSE, Red Hat, Mandrake, ... each requiring their own tweaks to make certains things compatible with others.  That sucks.

When I upgraded my CD32 with an SX-1 and a 2.5" HD with OS 3.1, I could run all A1200 and 99% of all A500 software.  That's the beauty of standardizing on an OS platform.  Linux is not standardized.  Linux will never be a mainstream OS like Amiga could have been/was.  It's just a matter of time before the Mac dies a slow death now that Apple has gone Intel.  Apple will be reduced to an iPod manufacturer.  Mac OS is a pig nowadays.  When 256MB is not enough to power a Mac-Mini at a descent speed, Apple has made a faux-pas.

Within the next month, I'll be writing PocketPC software at work.  It's interpretted.  Windows has already won.  I don't care.  I want to see Amiga in places I would never expect.  Otherwise, it's useless.

[Louis Dias]

Amiga on Intel has already been discussed by many.  Especially Eyetech.  I already have WinUAE.  I don't use it because I alredy run Windows and have every app I need there.  What I want to do is take my Amiga-GC "disc" to any GC owner's house with a BBA and also insert my SD card into any GC and check my email and do what I got to do.  That's not possible on Windows unless I buy a Pocket PC device.  Amiga OS needs to be what Palm OS didn't live up to.

Also, a full GC setup can be had for about $180.  Also, since so many people own GC's, all you'd have to do is carry your boot disc and SD Gecko w/SD card to anyone's house (and possibly a broad band adapter) and you've got yourself quite a reliable portable system.

SD memory cards are the new floppy/CDR's.  Just imagine Windows "Terminal" PC's that launched your personal system settings off of an SD card you inserted into the machine.  That's how standardized Windows is getting.  Amiga needs to get there first.  Instead of a "user login", a user inserts there SD card and all their settings come up and with 2GB of storage, all there relevant data-files are there as well.

[Louis Dias]

AROS does show promise.
It just needs commercial support in the form of apps.
OS4 seems to have some support in that department.  Real developers are developing OS4 apps.

If AROS is to exist on both PPC and x86 platform, it is going to need an intermediate common programming language like Window's .NET common runtime library.  I'd hate to see a divided platform.

[Louis Dias]

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=5849

review of new Viper Xtreme GC, SDK for USB bi-directional programming

usb adapter plugs into the broadband adapter port to replace the BBA...can't get something for nothing I guess...

too bad you couldn't use Serial Port 1 (for Rev A 'Cubes) then you could have your cake and eat it too.

[Louis Dias]

Yes, it's still alive because unlike the Amiga market, new hardware to expand the capabilities of the Gamecube is still being developed.  Same goes for software.

Low level AROS drivers are being ported and soon native PPC AROS will run on the Gamecube.

Revolution will be able to run AROS through it's GC compatibility via SDLoader using Action Replay (http://www.consolejunky.com/sdload-tutorial/) and if Nintendo's Wi-Fi emulates the BBA, the PSO method of executing homebrew code will also work.

Dave Haynie's remarks about not spending alot of money to run a hobby echo alot of what I've been saying about just using a simple cheap GC.

So it's $800-$1600 invested before you boot to Workbench. Once there, you don't have applications yet. So it's just a toy.

So return Amiga to it's roots as a console with a "cool" desktop.  Bring back the games.

I was playing the 'Cube version of SNE9X 1.43.  It's amazing when you compare it to the Windows version.  It's just perfect.  And there are Sega emulators as well...

When I launch Linux I get to a linux login in 5 seconds...and that's after it detects the hard ware and connects to a filesystem running on my PC over ethernet.  So it's not exactly a stripped down bare-bones kernal.  It also can be patched over the internet.

Homebrew shareware version of Doom for the 'Cube is 6.2MB and is running from my SD card in about 7-8 seconds...so much for SD memory being "slow"...(I am using a 1GB card, by the way).

Before the trolling resumes, here are my goals:

I am going to build a custom dashboard for my car with a stereo like this Kenwood Exelon DDX7017.
I am going to mount my spare modded 'Cube in the car with the audio and video channelled to that stereo.  I will use a wireless ethernet bridge to give the GC wireless internet access when I am near wi-fi hot zones.  I need an OS such as AROS that will let me run a simple email application to keep up with my email.  I will use a miniature keyboard to type.  Mouse emulation will be provided by the GC's analog stick.  All information will be stored on an SD card, including the OS.  I can use Action Replay and my SD Gecko to boot my OS on any "un-modded" GC so I can take my files(and messages) indoors just by pulling out a card and bring them up on anybody's GC or just stick the SD card into a PC...  It's all doable and the GC would still be useable for GC and homebrew games in the car.

That's a neat and cool thing that you don't need a full blown PC for and adds a certain "cool" factor like Amiga "used to have".  I know people will say why not just use a laptop.  Well, a laptop is easily stolen if left in a car.  It can be expensive.  It can break easily.  And laptops don't have that "cool" factor anymore.  Also, all I'd have to carry around is an SD memory card.  A 3" Action Replay disc and memory card adapter if I want to run it on someone else's GC.

...troll away...

[Louis Dias]

The toughest part of the above project is actually designing the dash.  Everything else is feasable once JLF65 finishes the AROS port.

I am looking into importing Xbox controller->USB adapter cables in quantity from the same place I ordered my 50 SD Geckos.  I've sold about 25 to various GC homebrew developers including the one to the person porting AROS to GC.

The company has lots of good stuff for the console modding community...it's starting to become a nice little side business as a close friend is investing with me.  So interestingly, something positive has become of this thread for me.

[Louis Dias]

wow - talk about a blast from the past!

Own your Xbox and enjoy it just as I own my original and modded Gamecubes and enjoy them.