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Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #89 on: June 09, 2005, 08:37:24 PM »
ok how about on PS3 then...  HyperionMP dropped some hints as does this article:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/06/09/news_6127219.html

funny how this guy from Sony re-itterates what I've been saying about NETWORK drives...

and the guys at gc-linux.org have a DVDplayer library now so you will be able to burn 3" dvd's and have the GC read it.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #90 on: June 11, 2005, 05:37:37 PM »
@ALL

I am officially no longer a Nintendo "fanboy"!

http://cube.ign.com/articles/624/624200p1.html
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #91 on: July 13, 2005, 09:16:58 PM »
Ok, hopefully at the end of the month my finances will be in order and I can make some purchases to move forward here...

there's an SD card loader for the GC now. $14.95
http://www.jandaman.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=gcsdgecko

www.gc-linux.org have moved forward with the DVD-drive ATAPI api..and now have a mini-media player (mplayer)

and this: http://www.gamecubecase.com/
for the people who need to burn 4+GB DVD's for console hacking...like 1.8GB isn't enough for most things...

nice tutorial here: http://www.consolejunky.com/gamecube-guides/sdload/

Why bring back this old topic you ask?

- A good CELL compiler is years away.
- Newer (next-gen) consoles are still not going to be cost-effective.
- A1 is dead and the A1-micro is "je ne sais qua"
- the GC is "well-known" now from a hardware point of view, next-gens are not...AT ALL.
- Nintendo Revolution may not even have HD output so the GC will have superior resolution (854x480p @ 16:9 mode) vs 640x480i
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #92 on: July 14, 2005, 08:35:37 PM »
http://www.qoobchip.com/index.php

Things just keep getting easier...
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #93 on: July 15, 2005, 02:51:55 PM »
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mdma wrote:
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lou_dias wrote:
http://www.qoobchip.com/index.php

Things just keep getting easier...


So does this thing allow you to burn a GC ISO to a mini DVD+R and play it on your gamecube?


The mod chip will allow you to play MP3 files, it includes an MP3 player.

The Linux package (www.gc-linux.org) has ATAPI DVDROM drivers now that will read a full 5" DVD.  If you open your gamecube, you will notice that the drive head can span a full 5" CD/DVD disc.  However when it stops at the outer limit of a 3" by default when powered down.  So I assume reading the extra inch of radius is just a programming issue which they have overcome.  This leads me to believe that the only difference in hardware, as far as the drives go, between the Panasonic Q and the Gamecube is the default stop/start position of the drive head...and that may just be a ROM issue...  Hence the case mods that allow for 5" discs to be used only require a case mod and appropriate SOFTWARE and no expensive DRIVE change.  Right now you can get the case mod and qoob chip for $75 as a bundle.

So much for the propriety 3" disc issue...
Never the less, how many standalone Amiga apps couldn't fit on a 1.8GB miniDVD disc?  Most don't even fill up a 650MB cd.  To me the disc size/capacity was NEVER an issue.  But the hatemongers needed something to chime about.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #94 on: July 15, 2005, 05:45:47 PM »
Well, the Linux distribution not includes support for a network drive file system.  So while you won't have ATA133 speeds, it's fast enough for launching applications.  That's how all my business apps ran at a company I was working for from 1999-2002.

For a typical user running browsing, email, word processing and games (CD/DVD based) it more than accomplishes this task.  It would run circles around an '060 based amiga and a Blizzrd/Phase5 PPC'd Amiga once the apps were in memory.  Eventually drivers will be written for the adapter I own that gives me a ps2 keyboard/mouse connector into a controller port.  A keyboard already works on games like Phantasy Star Online 1-3 and a couple of other games released for the 'Cube.

For someone looking to run OS4 and some games and surf the web, it's got the power.  Much more power than any classic & expanded "real" Amiga.

The nice thing about the qoob chip is that is has 2Mbit of flash memory for a custom bios that can, for instance, boot an OS from the network, SD card or DVD drive.  It also give you a USB port.  Ain't that nice.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #95 on: July 18, 2005, 03:31:00 AM »
That's fine about the 360, it's PPC but an unknown platform.  The GC is well known and could be done faster and offers a potential simple upgrade to the Revolution hardware....

Also, if you read all the 'next-gen' news on the gaming sites, some developers have said that they may only use one core out of the 3 in the 360 because no one knows how to take advantage of it yet...which would make it only twice as powerful as the current XBOX.  I'll try to find the article...
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #96 on: July 19, 2005, 05:23:18 AM »
after a bit of searching:

http://www.ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=3833

http://www.ps3forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=3532

Nintendo's claims of a system that is 3-4 times more powerful than the Gamecube not seem reasonable and possibly better than the PS3 and XBOX 360.  If they stay with a dual-core OoO executing cpu and provide a dedicated sound processor (unlike the 360 and PS3 who will use a thread or dedicate an SPE), you may be surprsied afterall on who has the most powerful system.

From the desktop OS perspective, an in-order cpu (360) is far from ideal.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #97 on: July 21, 2005, 08:07:29 PM »
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Tripitaka wrote:

I am always open minded with new consoles. I will give it a read.
Any chance of Amiga DE on the DS to go with the OS4 Gamecube? That would kick ass!


Just picture a Revolution port that allows downloading applications to the DS!  Now you'd have portable Amiga apps running on Nintendo DS hardware.  Now that would be Revolutionary.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #98 on: July 21, 2005, 08:20:59 PM »
http://www.next-gen.biz/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=510&Itemid=2

about coding these new systems...

if Nintendo stays with an OoO REAL G5, it will be potent
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #99 on: July 22, 2005, 04:10:51 AM »
Well, AROS is the best we can get without any support from Hyperion.  I couldn't find any PPC port of AROS but since the source is available, anything is possible.

Since the qoob mod chip has 2MB of flash memory for custom BIOS's...I'm sure Hyperion could get there 'UBOOT'(I think that's what it's called) BIOS code ported to it with a quickness.  But would they...  Heck, didn't they open source that?  Now if they only would open-source the OS4 HAL...

I already own 1 of these: http://www.mayflash.com/gc/gc020/GC%20020-1.asp

Another would let me plug in both a keyboard and mouse...however, the qoob chip PRO version includes a USB port...so there are possibilities there as well.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #100 on: July 26, 2005, 08:42:52 PM »
Great news!
I just found out I am refinancing on Friday so I will have loads of disposable income.  I will be ordering the qoob chip and case mod bundle shortly as well as SDLoad card reader.

I'd like to flash to qoob chip with the UBOOT BIOS. UBOOT can be ported to Gamecube hardware just like it was ported to A1 hardware.  Maybe the GC-linux people can get this done.  It's better than the PSOload hack.

SAMBA could be used to access network hard drives.  Hopefully someone would write a USB port driver that accesses the qoob chip's USB port.

No VIA DMA/IDE bug
no usb stack bug
no overpriced extremely outdated hardware

and an easy upgrade path to Nintendo Revolution hardware.  Not to mention Revolution being able to offer downloadable Amiga (ported) apps running on the Nintendo DS...and that feature is already built-in to the DS.

Picture Super Skidmarks ported to use Revolution as a server and have 8 Nintendo DS's running Super Skidmarks and racing against each other!  on-line!
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #101 on: July 27, 2005, 01:01:00 PM »
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lou_dias wrote:
I'd like to flash to qoob chip with the UBOOT BIOS. UBOOT can be ported to Gamecube hardware just like it was ported to A1 hardware.  Maybe the GC-linux people can get this done.  It's better than the PSOload hack.


This won't work.  The Quub firmware is not a generic BIOS like UBOOT, but a specific application for bypassing Nintendos copy protection.
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qoob supports booting from a flashed bios, I'm not replacing the qoob's firmware but taking advantage of it's features.  Here's a list: http://www.qoobchip.com/gcm.html


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SAMBA could be used to access network hard drives.


Why Samba?  Samba has a lot of overhead, and will really show how slow the 10mb/s half duplex NIC in the GCN is.  It would be much better to use NFS.


Show me proof that it's half duplexed as you say.  I think you are making up your own facts again.  Also, NFS is already supported on gc-linux.org's linux package.  If AOS does support that already so much the better.

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Hopefully someone would write a USB port driver that accesses the qoob chip's USB port.


That's not what the USB port is for.  The qoob is a USB device, not a controller.  The usb port is only there for programming the qoob chip.
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if the bios code can be patched (which it can) and the code to access the usb port is in the bios, then any app can be written to do the same thing.

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No VIA DMA/IDE bug


No IDE at all.  In fact, no usable re-writable local filesystem at all.


again that's what NFS is for...  Also, there is a memory card to usb adapter, not to mention a usb port courtesy of the qoob chip.  So USB HD's, DVD burners, printers are all possible.

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no usb stack bug


Again, no USB, so no bug.  Hmm...


see my comments above about usb

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no overpriced extremely outdated hardware


I'll give you that much, the GCN is cheap.  But, it's definately outdated.


I'm perfectly happy with extremely underpriced slightly outdated hardware than that or PITA ultra out-dated classic hardware.

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and an easy upgrade path to Nintendo Revolution hardware.  Not to mention Revolution being able to offer downloadable Amiga (ported) apps running on the Nintendo DS...and that feature is already built-in to the DS.

Picture Super Skidmarks ported to use Revolution as a server and have 8 Nintendo DS's running Super Skidmarks and racing against each other!  on-line!


Huh?  So, write a new game, add multiplayer, and it's related to Amiga or the old game how?  You need to start checking your facts a bit more.  It's fun to read your sometimes insane rambling but I'd hate it if you really spent real money trying to make the GCN a computer.  It just isn't usable as one.  If you are serious about getting a <$200 Linux box then you can pick up an older computer that will do just fine.  


excuse me... the key words there were 'picture' as in picture this...and 'port'.  A port.  And it is just a vision to realize possibilities...  

It's just as much fun to read your grotesque ctitiques. :P  

Maybe someday you will grow from adolescent to adult, eh? :))
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #102 on: July 27, 2005, 01:11:46 PM »
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billt wrote:
You have to refinance (I'm guessing mortgage) in order to get this stuff?! Wow, I'm sure there's a huge market for running AmigaOS on such expensively hacked hardware. ;) ;)


Well, it boils down to disposable income.  I left my IT job in 2002 and just got back into the industry less than 2 months ago.  I'm a VB.NET developer now (vs. VB6 and VFP6)...making half the money I was making before but it still beats what I was doing for the past 3 years...which was CRAP!  The point is that now I can start experimenting.

Since you like writing ATI drivers ( :) ) why don't you check out gc-linux.org and write a driver for them guys.

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>and an easy upgrade path to Nintendo Revolution hardware

For games developers perhaps. If you take away their OS, is the hardware register compatible with GameCube hardware, or will new drivers have to be written? I'd expect the latter. Can we get proper documentation for both to develop drivers for? Can we get CPU docs to properly support those, to avoid compatibility issues like the 750GX in uA1 did initially?


Hey, I'm just saying that it's easier, not easy.  :)  Atleast it's evolution vs. displacement.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #103 on: July 27, 2005, 05:55:10 PM »
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MskoDestny wrote:
I can't believe this thread is still alive.

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if the bios code can be patched (which it can) and the code to access the usb port is in the bios, then any app can be written to do the same thing.

The qoob is a USB slave and cannot be connected to another USB slave (like a keyboard or hard drive) no matter what kind of software is behind it.  You need a USB host, which the qoob lacks.

I also don't see what the point is, unless you've managed to convince Amiga, Inc. to license OS 4 for the Gamecube.  If you're going to just hack it to run unlicensed I can't imagine why you just wouldn't shoot for the Mac mini.  It's relatively inexpensive and already has all the necessary stuff to be a proper computer.


OK, bear with me on the problems with it being a slave.

are you saying the the 2MB flashable memory shows up like a Removable drive on windows like plugging in a camera?

Also, I've seen usb keyboard that act as a usb hub.  They offer usb ports right on the keyboard so I still don't see the limitation there.  A serial bus supports I/O.  In AND Out.  Otherwise, plugging it in would never register with Windows that a device was plugged in.

Yes, the base Mac Mini is cheap ($499)...why would a windows user buy a Mac to be an Amiga?  Also, porting issues aren't much different there.  Since I already own a GC my costs for the BBA, ps/2 adapters, SD card reader and Qoob chip add up to $120.  That's like buying 2 new and 1 used games.  www.gcdev.com has homebrew downloadable games to justify the purchase.  It's entertainment value for me right now just to see how far I can go.  $499 is not entertaining.  It's not bad, but I'd much rather spend that kind of money on a performance exhaust for my car, lol!

I'm trying to draw support for OS4 on Ninendo Gamecube and Revolution.  OS3 is not an OS for today's user.  MAC is losing ground and hopes to lower their entry costs to the platform by going to Intel hardware.  Linux isn't a user-friendly OS either (vs. OS 3.x).

Amiga OS has potential if modernized.  But it needs a low entry cost to appeal to anyone looking to try it out before making the switch from Windows.

Future versions of Microsoft Office products are going to use XML as the document standard.  This will allow new (or old with a plugin) Amiga apps to interoperate with Office (Word, Excell, Powerpoint) rather easily.  So common desktop applications for 99% of users will be possible.  

Targeting the niche market as a target audience will always leave the platform as a niche machine.  Let the core audience grow FIRST, then release niche products.

GC is a niche machine...blah blah blah...with a 20 million unit installed base...  How many Amiga users do we have?  Again if you have no mouse, no keyboard and no GC, you can have a GC and all the other stuff I mentioned for ~$216 with a $50 used GC at Gamestop.  Heck for $99 you get a new GC with Super Smash Bros. Melee!  That's only one of the greatest games ever made.  has sold something like 3 million copies on the GC before this bundle...and I still don't own it.
 

Offline Louis DiasTopic starter

Re: potential PPC Amiga REAL CHEAP
« Reply #104 from previous page: July 27, 2005, 09:09:09 PM »
I already own 2 SD cards.  An 8MB and a 256MB.

Ok, so why doesn't Hyperion open source the HAL as well?  Then it could get ported to recognize GC hardware independently of the OS then maybe someone could send them a compiled HAL with some headers and request an install with this HAL and sell that.  Theoretically they never need to stay that the HAL is for the GC.

Then it could work on the Mac Mini as well...

@BillT
If I were an Amiga user and I could get OS4 on hardware that costs $200 or hardware that costs $900, what would be easier?  I'll wager there are more Amigans with Gamecubes then there are Amigans with A1's.

Also you ignore the face that I own a $12 adapter that plugs into the GC's controller port that gives me a keyboard/mouse ps2 port and there is already a linux driver for it.  So 2 of these in the GC's 4 ports give me keyboard, mouse and 2 controllers.

The SDL library is already ported to the GC(linux) and there are already homebrew 3d games running on the GC, including DOOM.

There is already a SEGA Genesis emulator on the GC: http://projects.sappharad.com/gcn/genplus/

a gcc port: http://www.devkit.tk/

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So yes, I see a complete lack of interest in running homebrew software on a Gamecube.  I mean isn't the reason this stuff already exists because there is no market for it?
[Remove Sarcasm Cap]
Give these people a cool alternative and maybe you have a bigger market than exists than the current ever-shrinking market of Amigans.

-No more hardware(A1) that's expensive and always on back order because there isn't enough demand to justify a new batch...um because it's expensive...hmmm chicken or egg?

Gamecubes are a dime a dozen.

Since Nintendo sells licenses and not necessarily kits (alternate dev-kits are available from Metrowerks) this means that homebrew code should run on Revolution in GC emulation.  Since Revolution will support all GC software and hardware, any software that runs courtesy of SDLoad will run on Revolution.  Now depending on how it will be emulated is what will cause homebrew apps that can 'self-clock' to run faster or not and possibly even with better 3d graphics(more poly's) than on a real GC.