Which OS Would Be The Best Amiga Way Forward...

[amigadave]

Your Anti-Apple/Mac sentiments are old news (and personally I don't think  based on anything but an emotional response of yours), so I don't know why you keep using it against the MorphOS Development Team.  They have only chosen to support PPC Mac computers because there are/were no other good choices for them to easily port MorphOS to.  Nothing that makes sense, given the time and effort it would take for porting to another architecture and the best available hardware for price and performance.  They have made the best choice for their time constraints and for the users pocket books.  Besides, MorphOS2.x runs very well on the Pegasos1 & 2 and Efika platforms, which are not Apple products.

As much as I like MorphOS2.x and see it as the best choice for today, I voted for AROS, as I see it as the best chance in the future.

[amigadave]

@smerf,

I am not the one who is upset and non-objective about this subject.  A Mac computer is just a piece of hardware, no different than a HP, or Compaq, or IBM, or any other brand name.   Why it upsets you so much that the MorphOS Dev. Team has taken advantage to use the best PPC computers available to them is purely an emotional problem of yours, not an objective reason.  MorphOS is just as "Amiga" as AmigaOS4.x, or any other Amiga-Like system, if not more so.  You are just too blind to see it and conveniently disregard the fact that it also runs on Non-Mac systems.

[amigadave]

Not to be much of a blue troll, but I am surprised that OS 4.1 is slightly ahead of morphOS.

Not many MorphOS users visit here, not as many as the OS4.x crowd.

Edit:  Plus, even though I think that MorphOS is the best choice for now and the near future, I voted for AROS as the best way for a long term future.  Maybe some other MorphOS users did the same, instead of making this just another popular vote contest.

[amigadave]

@Most MOS users

I for one won't ever accept MOS as an AmigaOS for the future and the reason are simply because of the behaviour from the people who runs it. It seems like lots of you got serious issues and I'm not even joking, not even a little. It's sad and shocking to say the least. I mean you really hate Hyperion for writing AOS 4....... you play their games but hey, don't write AmigaOS 4 :-S . You can't write a single nice (and true) word about it. You allways clame any AmigaOS 4 user to worship it as a religion even though you only find that behaviour when reading the cocky comments from MOS users. Not only do you sound like your opinion is the only one that will ever matter and anyone who are against it are a morron but you also spend hours and hours talking crap about AmigaOS 4 which I'm sure many of you haven't even used or haven't used in years. That's as close minded as one can get.

You act like hooligans of Amiga-like operating systems. Now that is a new level of being geeky.

I wouldn't mind MOS very much if it wasn't for the people using it, there really are some twisted minds using those computers.

IMO (like verything else that I write is) it could perhaps be better and way more healthy to use that agression elsewhere. Pick up a sport, use wii fit, run.

There are exceptions offcourse but those people won't be offended by this either. Anyway the rest of you who spend times writing crap in every forum that exists, youtube and what not... get a life and go see a shring or something. Grow up. Get mature.

Might seem harsh but compared to the crap that I read from the MOS community this is sweet talking.

Finally... do you think that someone outside of this community gets interested in runing MOS reading that crap? Unless there are more of the same kind... good people to get in the community, spending all day long writing crap on the web.

You are way off base HotRod!  From what I have seen over the last 4 years that I have been following the MorphOS information and users, it has been ten times more AmigaOS4.x users that constantly put down MorphOS and keep saying it has nothing to do with anything "Amiga".  What the AmigaOS4.x users can't stand is any criticism or comparison, because MorphOS is just plain better.  It has been under development longer and chose better components to start with.  Some AmigaOS4.x users just can't stand to read those facts and those are the people that have started 90% of the fighting between the two groups over the 4 years I have been watching.  From what I have seen, the MorphOS users and developers have only defended themselves from lies told (like yours) that have been written about MorphOS and it's users/developers.  Of course, like in all things, there are good and bad on all sides and I won't deny that there are a few bad apples on the MorphOS side that have stirred up trouble from time to time, but over the 4 years that I have been watching this fight, it has been the AmigaOS4.x "bad apples" that have started most of the "crap" as you put it, just like this post of yours that was uncalled for and completely un-necessary.

[amigadave]

@HotRod,

You have got to be joking!  All of the behavior you are describing is exactly what I have seen from the insanely jealous AmigaOS4.x users, not the MorphOS2.x users that have no reason to be jealous of AmigaOS4.x.

It is apparent that you are just being sarcastic, or trying to start a real fight, so this is my last reply to you as I won't see your posts anymore after adding you to my "ignore" list.

[amigadave]

Franko it's true Piru does jump the gun really quickly when someone criticizes Morphos but i wouldn't call him obnoxious. Being a developer for Morphos he has a right to be proud of his work and that means he can get defensive if he wants to. For me the line between being obnoxious and proud are quite large. Both are similar but not the same

@Hotrod. I for the record sit neutral on the fence when it comes to ng Amigas. I can appreciate them both. The red camp being faithful to classic Amigas which is great for nostalgia and the blue camp trying to modernize Amigaos which is also fantastic. Each to their own i say

@Amigadave. Grow up. You "ignore" someone just because they don't agree with you? On forums when having a debate you can expect to receive a certain amount of banter. It would be really boring if everyone just agreed with you

Someone please point out to me in this thread where the mud slinging started and who started it.

I did not notice anything overtly offensive until HotRod threw in his offensive remarks about "Most MorphOS users", which I got defensive about, since I am one of those MorphOS users and I gave my truthful opinion about what I have observed here and elsewhere.  It has nothing to do with me wanting HotRod to agree with everything I say or write.  I don't expect the AmigaOS4.x users to agree with the choices that I have made, or my opinions about what is best, but performance numbers and feature count has favored MorphOS2.x above AmigaOS4.x and AROS forever.  Those are hard cold facts and since the most obnoxious of the AmigaOS4.x users don't like those facts being pointed out on any forums, they usually resort to any other means to try to degrade MorphOS and call it names like children, because they have no other way to make themselves feel good about the choice they have made to use AmigaOS4.x instead of MorphOS2.x.

HotRod made it to my "ignore list" because he was writing complete crap and seems to actually believe it, or is just a troll, not because I disagree with his opinions and choices.  I have lots of friends that use AmigaOS4.x and I have no problem with them and their choices.  Re-read HotRod's first message in this thread and honestly tell me you think it was warranted by any other message from any MorphOS user in this thread and please explain why.  I would love to read that kind of assessment, if it is really objective and truthful and not just more trolling by anyone.

I don't have anything personal against AmigaOS4.x and would buy and use it, if it weren't tied to such expensive hardware that is so underpowered.  I also don't like some of the questionable behavior of some of the partners/owners of Hyperion in the past, but could overlook that if they had a better product at a better price, on better hardware.

[amigadave]

They might have a different opinion.

Who is they?  Hyperion?  AmigaOS4.x users?  The performance numbers don't lie.  On the same exact hardware (Pegasos2) MorphOS2.x outperforms AmigaOS4.x in almost every category.  MorphOS2.x runs more old Amiga 68k software and WarpUP/PowerUP PPC software natively (without using UAE) than AmigaOS4.x.  Usually I do not point out these differences on forums because of the negative reaction it brings out, as I have been a strong proponent of cooperation between MorphOS2.x users and AmigaOS4.x & AROS users and don't like writing anything that is going to fuel the flame wars, but HotRod's postings were so out of line it just got under my skin and set me off.

I simply don't care about MorphOS. I don't own the hardware to run it and neither the newer MUI nor Ambient look like something that would impress me much.

I guess in your terms I am already trolling for just stating that.

Show me a single post of mine where I have I have criticized anyone for preferring to use AmigaOS4.x or AROS instead of MorphOS, or called them a troll just because they prefer to use AmigaOS4.x or  AROS.  Search through my almost 3000 posts on this site and find me just one.  I have always respected people's choices and don't care what you choose to run as your favorite Amiga-Like OS, or what hardware you run it on, so long as you don't try to make false statements about it when comparing it to MorphOS2.x in an attempt to make MorphOS2.x look bad.  MorphOS2.x has it's own faults, like all Amiga systems, so if you want to criticize it, use facts, not lies, or false information and I will have no problem with the criticism.

I have found that classic, UAE, AROS and AmigaOS4 aren't as aggressive as the blue team. Just today somebody posted an Animation that was created to make fun about the red camp and it was neither funny nor informative. And here they are trying to demotivate AROS fans by claiming something can't be done which is actually technically feasible (a pattern I have seen more than once).

So, sorry folks, but you aren't playing fair.

I agree that there are a few MorphOS trolls that are aggressive at times, but disagree that they are more aggressive, or post more often than, or are more in number than the AmigaOS4.x trolls.  Both sides have "Bad Apples", as I have already admitted to before, but you and HotRod are here claiming that the MorphOS camp is the worst offender without offering any proof to that claim.  If you had accurate statistics that could be proved, I would believe your claim, but since that kind of proof is impossible to produce, your claims are just more fuel for the flames and are no different than my angry response to HotRod's first message in this thread.  Please provide a link to this "demotivating" animation that you have seen, so we can have some proof of your claims about the evil MorphOS users.

As for Piru's comments about what can and cannot be done in programming, with his track record, I will believe his assertions until they are proven incorrect, over the opinions of someone who does not write any code, or does not match his abilities as a programmer.  His comments can be looked on as constructive criticism, that could save someone a lot of wasted time, or demotivating.  Depends on your point of view.  I sincerely do not believe that he makes those kinds of comments because he is trying to "demotivate" any programmer from trying to solve any programming challenge.  He is a pretty smart guy and has a proven track record when it comes to writing good code.  If you think that is unfair, ....... well, you are entitled to your opinion of what is and is not fair, but I just don't see any "un-fairness".

[amigadave]

Maybe they don´t, but some MorphOS fans claimed e.g. that you can´t watch DVDs on a SAM, beacause of the performance. Which works fine here out of the box. I get a decent framerate on my SAM. It was denied that you can edit video on OS4 with Blender. Which I did, although I must confess that it was terribly slow and you´d better get an X1000 for that (or even better - use MacOS Xs iMovie).

Even if MorphOS outshines on some measurements it doesn´t mean the alternatives don´t have their merits and you have to talk them down in order to look better.

I have never said that the alternatives don't have their own merits.  I have stated that I have considered buying AmigaOS4.1, but the cost to performance is just too steep for me right now, and I don't go around talking the alternative down in order to look better.

When criticized, or stupid polls come up asking which system is better, I state my opinion and the facts that back up my opinion.   I stand up for myself when attacked or ridiculed, but otherwise I try to promote cooperation between users and developers.   I know that the two opposing development teams will probably never work together, or even like each other (at least certain members), but that does not mean that the users and third party developers have to get sucked into the fight, or disagreements.  Just use what you like and be happy.

@kronos,

+1